How Worthless Are You?

The Miracle wrote: Peter Rideout wrote: The Miracle wrote: 100% worthless. Humans are all worthless, pathetic creatures. What about art? Do you pay for music, or is that product of universally "worthless" humans also worthless to you? Humans have added considerable beauty to the world, via art. If 'god" were about to exterminate us all, I'd use art (and other things) as a reason not to. If I felt as you claim to, I'd have to seriously consider suicide (please don't, though)! I'd wager you won't always feel that way. I vividly remember feeling as you've stated, when in my teens/early 20s. Life can get better with maturity, finding real love, and working toward a meaningful vocation. Try to believe in yourself, and build a better future! BTW, is that cheery, murderous fellow in your sig pic you? Remember that guy from the goth site, who'd posted pics of himself with weapons, then went on a high school shooting rampage? No one spoke up or found the pics unusual..... I've seriously considered suicide many, many times... But I'll never do it so don't worry. I do believe in myself, "I am god" as Mike(from Stranger In A Strange Land used to say... I feel like that most of the time. The most interesting people I know are on this forum - my peers are boring and cliched(I HATE teenagers), and in most people find shallowness and ignorance. I agree that art is the best thing that came out of the human race. No, that's not me in my sig. I'll have to wait another year or so for my hair to become that beautiful, it's only doen to my chin right now. It's Varg Vikernes(Burzum), creator of some of the most touching music I know, same guy as in my avvy. He's just screwing around with knives. Ironically, he did kill a man, but that incident was nothing special. Want me to change my sig? There are more appealing pics of him. He's nothing scary, on the contrary, the essence of coolness.

I see, and I'm very glad you weren't offended by my concern that it might be you. As a teacher, I have very real, immediate reasons to takes pictures of young people posing with weapons seriously.

There have been incidences I can't really talk about -- and not just far away ones. I have had DIRECT experience of such matters, more than once, I assure you, and cause to feel less than secure at work, from time to time. (Right now, as we speak, one of my favourite students is living in fear because of death threats from her ex-boyfriend (still out there somewhere). While working in a hospital in downtown Toronto for ten years as well, I got to see some of the lethal results of youth gangs and guns, and weaponry such as that which appeared in that other pic.

I don't appreciate an earlier poster's sarcasm toward my earlier concern in this regard. I am no panicked, over-reacting fool or prude, and this is NOT a funny or minor subject. In my profession, we have to act on such concerns and err on the side of caution if we are to err. Enough said....


Edited by Peter Rideout - March 23 2007 at 23:37

Peter Rideout wrote: The Miracle wrote: Peter Rideout wrote: The Miracle wrote: 100% worthless. Humans are all worthless, pathetic creatures. What about art? Do you pay for music, or is that product of universally "worthless" humans also worthless to you? Humans have added considerable beauty to the world, via art. If 'god" were about to exterminate us all, I'd use art (and other things) as a reason not to. If I felt as you claim to, I'd have to seriously consider suicide (please don't, though)! I'd wager you won't always feel that way. I vividly remember feeling as you've stated, when in my teens/early 20s. Life can get better with maturity, finding real love, and working toward a meaningful vocation. Try to believe in yourself, and build a better future! BTW, is that cheery, murderous fellow in your sig pic you? Remember that guy from the goth site, who'd posted pics of himself with weapons, then went on a high school shooting rampage? No one spoke up or found the pics unusual..... I've seriously considered suicide many, many times... But I'll never do it so don't worry. I do believe in myself, "I am god" as Mike(from Stranger In A Strange Land used to say... I feel like that most of the time. The most interesting people I know are on this forum - my peers are boring and cliched(I HATE teenagers), and in most people find shallowness and ignorance. I agree that art is the best thing that came out of the human race. No, that's not me in my sig. I'll have to wait another year or so for my hair to become that beautiful, it's only doen to my chin right now. It's Varg Vikernes(Burzum), creator of some of the most touching music I know, same guy as in my avvy. He's just screwing around with knives. Ironically, he did kill a man, but that incident was nothing special. Want me to change my sig? There are more appealing pics of him. He's nothing scary, on the contrary, the essence of coolness. I see, and I'm very glad you weren't offended by my concern that it might be you. As a teacher, I have very real, immediate reasons to takes pictures of young people posing with weapons seriously. There have been incidences I can't really talk about -- and not just far away ones. I have had DIRECT experience of such matters, more than once, I assure you, and cause to feel less than secure at work, from time to time. (Right now, as we speak, one of my favourite students is living in fear because of death threats from her ex-boyfriend (still out there somewhere). While working in a hospital in downtown Toronto for ten years as well, I got to see some of the lethal results of youth gangs and guns, and weaponry such as that which appeared in that other pic. I don't appreciate an earlier poster's sarcasm toward my earlier concern in this regard. I am no panicked, over-reacting fool or prude, and this is NOT a funny or minor subject. In my profession, we have to act on such concerns and err on the side of caution if we are to err. Enough said....

i feel kinda worthless, and could be pretty worthless

but if there's someone who can tell if i'm worthless or not, i guess it would be God

I am totally worthless but accordingly I am thus not obligated to do anything  (or still )

BTW, you'll almost certainly feel much less worthless after a warming, soothing mug of CHAI!

Indeed value (of anything) comes only by the relation to a fruition, just like use comes from the relation to the purpose or fulfillment comes from the relation to expectations etc. And just like T, I have come to think one's basic worth is that for oneself. As for me, my life sucks as I have come to lose most of the things I need and cherish  , so from this point of view I'm pretty worthless to myself. I have also broken the relations with family and friends in order to endure the emptiness, so there's nothing worthy for any side coming from this part. I am worth 300 euro/month for the guys I work for and that's a decent... appreciation in this part of the world, but again I'm not satisfied (this goes very well together with my post on the "Do you like your job" poll).

BTW, "ceai" (to be pronounced "chai") means tea in my language, too.

andu wrote: BTW, "ceai" (to be pronounced "chai") means tea in my language, too.

Moi aussi.

Hmm.... as a 17-year old who's academically strong, takes the usefull classes(math, physics and chemistry) at school, and has a promising future as a well-earning, tax-paying participant, I'm worth quite a bit to the Norwegian society, I guess... And emotionally speaking, I believe my family finds me far from worthless. And as a decent guitar player, I guess I'm worth something to the band I play in... And as a Pepsi Max addict, I guess I'm Pepsi finds me a customer of a certain worth.... and all of that is fine and dandy


But in the grand scheme, I'm nothing. As cheesy as it may be, "in the end, it doesn't even matter"(Linkin Park )
Not that that bothers me(much) in any way though. I find purpose to live and breathe every day.

I am worthless.

Man With Hat wrote: I am worthless.   At least I always feel worthless...especially to the people (or person) I care about most. There seems to be only a handful of people who would care if I wasn't here, and that If i was never here to begin with not much would be different.   So...overall...I gotta say...I am pretty damn worthless.

I used to have those feelings as well. What I finally realized is that everyone else has the same delusional thinking. You can't see your worth as reflected through someone else's eyes. They haven't got it figured out either. I used to feel very lonely, even when I was around large numbers of people. Now I don't socialize that often, don't have a significant other, and I don't feel lonely at all.

Trickster F. wrote: Eh, as long as the word "value" remains undefined, the word "worthless" will have no meaning either.

Well said.