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Landaughost 
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George Tsoupros
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 Posted: March 15 2007 at 17:38 |
Rendering European music from any period as "progressive rock" is not an interesting endeavour at all! Performing Bach's music on the synthesizer or invoking from the percussion an up-beat tempo to a 16th-century pavane does neither reveal new possibilities in interpretation nor does it make that performance "progressive rock" at all. For music to be progressive a necessary condition is to synthesize and advance the established musical experience, not just reproduce it.
"No need to think in order to put a text to music. The music is inherent in the text itself. Meditate on it and the music shall come out" --- William Byrd
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Atomic_Rooster
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Posted: March 15 2007 at 22:58 |
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i'm not suggesting that anyone should do a crappy arrangement, ie just playing it on a synth lol, im saying it would be cool to hear a good arrangement of a classical piece for a progressive rock band,
for instance: the Carl Palmer band did an amazing rendition of a Prokofiev piece in a prog-metal style, it was not just a loud guitar-driven version, but was well-arranged for the three-piece band, to create a great prog piece and a cool twist on a classic song.
It is, perhaps, to recreate the classical sensibility within a modern frame.
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Mikeypoo
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Posted: March 15 2007 at 23:35 |
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i would LOVE (although id be timid about it at first) to hear a rendition of Beethoven's moonlight sonota, particularly the third movement. IMHO the best song writin yet, so far, in history. love beethoven. some of Chopin's stuff would be very interesting to hear as well as some Brahms or Shumman.
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"music expresses that which cannot be put into words, and that which cannot remain silent"
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Landaughost
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George Tsoupros
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Posted: March 16 2007 at 06:42 |
You are missing my point. Arrangements on the synthesizer are not necessarily "crappy". They may be really interesting. The practice of arranging itself is not important because it does not offer anything new. However interesting such an arrangement may be it hardly ever challenges established interpretations by classical artists.
I am not familiar with Carl Palmer's rendition of Prokofiev's music but I shall make a reference to Bob Jame's "Scarlati Dialogues" released back in 1989. Although his arrangements of Domenico Scarlati's music for the synthesizer are outstanding, critically acclaimed even by classical performers and indeed great fun to listen to, although they brought jazz and latin-american elements into Scarlati's music they still do not transcend the established interpretations of Scarlati's keyboard music either on the piano or on the harpsichord.
By the way, could anyone of you gentlemen explain a reason that the "Scarlati Dialogues" has never been considered "Progressive Rock"?
"No need to think in order to put a text to music. The music is inherent in the text itself. Meditate on it and the music shall come out" --- William Byrd
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Big Ears
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Posted: March 19 2007 at 09:06 |
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I miss ELP's adaptions of classical music. Knife Edge is as heavy as anything I can think of.
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Prog.Sylvie
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Posted: March 19 2007 at 09:50 |
At least, ELP with their own adaptations of classical music, made us discover Classical music in the seventies, at least for those who did not know a thing about it while they were teenagers. The first time that I attended a concert with a full symphonic orchestra, it was ELP show at the Olympic Stadium with orchestra. Thirty years ago this year. ELP helped demistify classical music and made it accessible for young people.
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C'est la vie
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micky
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Posted: March 19 2007 at 10:10 |
damn.... a page and a half and this hasn't been mentioned... Canarios - Ciclos (Vivaldi's Four Seasons) sounding like DB here but seriously.. not all great prog came out of England people 
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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Vibrationbaby
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Posted: March 19 2007 at 10:29 |
 Prog.Sylvie wrote:
At least, ELP with their own adaptations of classical music, made us discover Classical music in the seventies, at least for those who did not know a thing about it while they were teenagers. The first time that I attended a concert with a full symphonic orchestra, it was ELP show at the Olympic Stadium with orchestra. Thirty years ago this year. ELP helped demistify classical music and made it accessible for young people.
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I was listening to my father`s record collection at a very young age which had everything from Bach to John Coltrane in it and perhaps that`s one of the reasons why I got into progressive rock music starting off with bands like Focus & Genlte Giant.
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chamberry
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Posted: March 19 2007 at 18:56 |
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Gyorgy Ligeti's Lux Aeterna, not by a prog band, but by a Doom Metal one.
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BroSpence
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Posted: March 20 2007 at 00:57 |
thellama73 wrote:
Ha! 4:33, would be a great prog piece.
As a side note, I'd like to voice an annoyance of mine before someone
else brings it up. Just because a track is called "Bolero" does not
make it a version of Ravel's Bolero. A bolero is a dance that uses a
particular rhythmic figure (as on King Crimson's Lizard). I've sen this
mistake made dozens of times and it always really bugs me. </rant>
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I agree with your entire post, completely. Good job.
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FruMp
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Posted: March 20 2007 at 01:46 |
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mekong delta do good thrash adaptations of classical music.
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Vibrationbaby
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Posted: March 20 2007 at 11:41 |
BroSpence wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
Ha! 4:33, would be a great prog piece.
As a side note, I'd like to voice an annoyance of mine before someone
else brings it up. Just because a track is called "Bolero" does not
make it a version of Ravel's Bolero. A bolero is a dance that uses a
particular rhythmic figure (as on King Crimson's Lizard). I've sen this
mistake made dozens of times and it always really bugs me. </rant>
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I agree with your entire post, completely. Good job.
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Me too. Jane uses it on Fire Water Earth & Air.
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Penumbra
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Posted: March 20 2007 at 13:47 |
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I agree with the "leave classical as is" camp; re-arranging things isn't terribly original after a while. However, human music has gone through such a span over the last four hundred years, so it is inevitable some things may get repeated.
If I don't want to be a party pooper, though, I'd have to say ... the first movement of Shostakovich's 7th Symphony. It changes itself around quite a bit in three sections... so why not have a prog epic based on its twenty-seven minutes? Oh wait, because Yes already created a highly original twenty-three minute piece akin to that.
It's called Gates of Delirium: something original, not a re-do. This idea frustrates me as much as comic books being turned into movies. I'm just a cultural conservative I suppose. :D
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The Holy Trinity of Symphonic Progressive Rock
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micky
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Posted: March 20 2007 at 13:57 |
Penumbra wrote:
It's called Gates of Delirium: something original, not a re-do.
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oh really.... granted it's not a classical lift or redo... but it is not original. Look to a band that some people think is overestimated...
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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Atomic_Rooster
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Posted: May 06 2007 at 01:27 |
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How about a version of Tchaikovsky's Violin Concerto as an electric guitar concerto
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Uroboros
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Posted: May 06 2007 at 08:06 |
Mikeypoo wrote:
i would LOVE (although id be timid about it at first) to hear a rendition of Beethoven's moonlight sonota, particularly the third movement. |
Stuart Hamm did an adaptation for solo bass (guitar) on his '88 album, Radio Free Albemuth. He's Satriani's bassist, among many other collaborations.
I'm also thinking of the Hackett brothers' album Sketches of Satie, with pieces for acoustic guitar and flute.
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Tous les chemins
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ne mènent à rien si tu n’es plus là
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paolo.beenees
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Posted: May 06 2007 at 08:40 |
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Apart from The Four Seasons, I'd like to listen to some rendering of Vivaldi's concertos (above all, the ones for mandulin: the only one I can remember is the adagio from Concerto in D major remade by Steve Howe)
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ClassicRocker
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Posted: May 06 2007 at 12:07 |
el böthy wrote:
Tchaikovsky´s Overture Festival 1812 |
SWEETNESS! 
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Castlevania
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Posted: May 06 2007 at 12:37 |
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I've always wanted to arrange sections of The Rite Of Spring for my rock band. Full sections though, not just little motifs like in Working All Day.
William Walton's Viola Concerto would be an AWESOME piece performed by a rock band, someone should get on it!
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Garion81
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Posted: May 06 2007 at 13:54 |
Dick Heath wrote:
Love Sculpture's Khataturian's Sabre Dance (great bit of 60's guitar work by Dave Edmunds)
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Don't forget the excellent arrangement of the shorter Farandole by Bizet that LS did. That was more impressive to me Sabre Dance.
Edmunds mentioned in his liner notes of his collection set that LS had played with The Nice and was trying to do on guitar what he had heard Emerson doing on Organ.
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