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Snow Dog 
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 Posted: March 18 2007 at 12:45 |
 laplace wrote:
that's the sort of approach that leads to us having words that insult the intelligence in official dictionaries.
When we are judged by literary space aliens I don't want to be part of the culture that embraced the word babydaddy
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What the hell is a "babydaddy"?
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Peter
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Posted: March 18 2007 at 13:10 |
tuxon wrote:
deducting marks on spelling should only occur when the test is about spelling.
So if you teach English grammar deducting marks is good, but when you teach english literature one must realise that many writers use non-excisting words and create new language with their writing. Spelling rules are not absolute. |
I know about the authors (Shakespeare gave us many words -- he was a master of written language), but a person in high school or college is not Shakespeare. There are standards, and they exist for a reason: to facilitate communication and understanding.
Like it or not, for many, if not most people, poor spelling, etc, creates a negative impression of the writer and the ideas. Imagine two competing advertisements: one correct, the other full of errors. Which company's product would you be most likely to buy? Why?
When I start to read a review here that's full of spelling, grammar and punctuation errors, I quickly stop reading, as the very poor writing and lack of attention to detail makes me doubt the amount of thought that went into the opinions expressed. If a reviewer can't even be bothered to use a spell checker, why should I bother to read his incoherent rambling, and try to guess what his non words mean? )
An analogy: Picasso knew the "rules" of perspective and realistic painting, and mastered them before he broke them. When he puts two eyes on the same side of the face it's art, and goes in a gallery. When a three year old does it, it's just cute, and goes on the refrigerator.
(Imagine covering a song, but inserting wrong notes and lyrics here and there.)
It is common, accepted practice in education to expect standard spelling in all submitted writing -- not just in spelling tests. If I let the error go uncorrected 95% of the time, how would students ever be expected to learn the correct spelling?
Other academic subjects have standards, too -- you cannot substitute one number for another in math, or make up your own numerical symbols, or, in chemistry, change atomic numbers, call a neutron a proton, or a newton. Imagine medical school: "Intern, remove the patient's left whatsit. Oh, you know what I mean!"
Anyway, it's just a silly joking POLE -- no offense ment! 
BTW, Tux, I meant to include the option "No, but it will be a word in 20 - 30 years" to acknowledge that I am aware that language changes over time. See "gay":
1950s: 'gay' = "happy, merry"
1970s: "gay" = 'homosexual"
Today: "gay" = "stupid, lame"
The second meaning is now in the dictionary. the third, regrettably, one day will likely be as well. 
Edited by Peter Rideout - March 18 2007 at 13:52
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
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Peter
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Posted: March 18 2007 at 13:23 |
In any case, it is not those who are learning the subject (the students) that decide what the "rulz" of that subject will be.
"No, prof, I'm gonna call the tibia the fibula. Yew gotta problem wit dat?"
Loose spelling sinx ships!
When I said "torpedo the Hood," I meant the Bismarck, you idiot! Now look what you've done! 
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.
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progismylife
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Posted: March 18 2007 at 13:27 |
Peter the third definition of gay is in some dictionaries. Some of my spelling errors are because I have dyslexic typing at times. But "alot" isn't a word! I've telling that to people since I was 9! And telling them they "beat me" not "won me" when playing a game during recess. I'm not a slave! 
And yes I am an adolescent who gets ticked off at misspellings!
Especially my own!
Edited by progismylife - March 18 2007 at 13:28
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Philéas
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Posted: March 18 2007 at 14:09 |
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"It bloody well is when I use it!"
It has happened. Sometimes you miss the spacebar, you know.
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progadicto
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Posted: March 18 2007 at 14:09 |
This poll remebers me a character of one of the Austin Powers movies...
ALOTTA VAGINA
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... E N E L B U N K E R...
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stonebeard
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Posted: March 18 2007 at 14:10 |
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According to Strunk and White, they should be separate.
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The Miracle
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Posted: March 18 2007 at 14:36 |
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I see Mr. Rideout is deafinitely back to posting alot.
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Peter
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Posted: March 18 2007 at 15:01 |
The Miracle wrote:
I see Mr. Rideout is deafinitely back to posting alot.
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Yes -- deafeningly!   I have to see that the forum doesn't again start to consume my life, though, at the expense of sleep, family, work, food and dirty dishes! Once more, for the record, my latest break was mainly to assert control over myself, and how I choose to spend my time (I understand that our time on earth is finite). I was too wrapped up in this forum, and strangers' opinions of me (often not good, and often due to misunderstandings), before. (I will therefore try to be lighter in tone, overall, and post less.)  And I WON'T make fun of metal and its fans -- promise! Life is too short and often rife with pain, anyway -- who needs enemies? It's all just music!
So I'm here for friendship, laughs, good music and good times!
On that note -- gotta go!
Edited by Peter Rideout - March 18 2007 at 15:01
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.
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darkmatter
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Posted: March 18 2007 at 15:18 |
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Snow Dog
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Posted: March 18 2007 at 19:08 |
Peter Rideout wrote:
The Miracle wrote:
I see Mr. Rideout is deafinitely back to posting alot. |
I have to see that the forum doesn't again start to consume my life, though, at the expense of sleep, family, work, food and dirty dishes!
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I have had this problem in the past so I know what you are talking about.
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Peter
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Posted: March 18 2007 at 22:28 |
Yes, it can be VERY addictive for some of us -- it is an outlet to a wider (but nonetheless limited) world that should not be mistaken for the entire world. It's pretty cool that one can make the acquaintance of (even befriend) so many diverse people from so many far-flung places here, though! But still, a full life has more immediate/proximate concerns, obligations and pleasures. A little self-control is a good thing....
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.
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JJLehto
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Posted: March 18 2007 at 23:37 |
What gets me is "where you at?"
Why do we say the "at". Dosn't the "where you" imply that?
But going around saying "where you?" would sound pretty weird.
What is the point of all this? I have no clue, kind of like this poll.
Edited by JJLehto - March 18 2007 at 23:37
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darkmatter
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Posted: March 18 2007 at 23:42 |
JJLehto wrote:
What gets me is "where you at?"
Why do we say the "at". Dosn't the "where you" imply that?
But going around saying "where you?" would sound pretty weird.
What is the point of all this? I have no clue, kind of like this poll. |
I totally agree, I HATE when people say that! It sounds so uneducated and unintelligent. It's just as easy to say "Where are you?". And yet people say "Where you at?" anyway! It doesn't even sound like a sentence. It's on that damn Amp'd Mobile commercial too, which makes it worse.
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JJLehto
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Posted: March 18 2007 at 23:48 |
darkmatter wrote:
JJLehto wrote:
What gets me is "where you at?"
Why do we say the "at". Dosn't the "where you" imply that?
But going around saying "where you?" would sound pretty weird.
What is the point of all this? I have no clue, kind of like this poll. |
I totally agree, I HATE when people say that! It sounds so uneducated and unintelligent. It's just as easy to say "Where are you?". And yet people say "Where you at?" anyway! It doesn't even sound like a sentence. It's on that damn Amp'd Mobile commercial too, which makes it worse.
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YES! Because where you at....is a corruption of where ARE you at. So, just like you said, just say where are you.
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The Miracle
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Posted: March 19 2007 at 16:38 |
Good thing I don't have a family depending on me, or they would be starving thanks to the Archives 
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Unix
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Posted: March 19 2007 at 21:37 |
I chose "will this be on the test?" because, well... I'm stupid.
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: March 19 2007 at 22:03 |
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I also do not use "alright", I always use "all right" instead. Infact (In fact?) I try not to use most Americanised or American words, especially O.K. and its derivatives. O.K. is not a word, all right?
Edited by Geck0 - March 19 2007 at 22:04
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Chus
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Posted: March 19 2007 at 22:11 |
Geck0 wrote:
I also do not use "alright", I always use "all right" instead. Infact (In fact?) I try not to use most Americanised or American words, especially O.K. and its derivatives. O.K. is not a word, all right?
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Awight
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Jesus Gabriel
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Peter
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Posted: March 20 2007 at 00:07 |
Geck0 wrote:
I also do not use "alright", I always use "all right" instead. Infact (In fact?) I try not to use most Americanised or American words, especially O.K. and its derivatives. O.K. is not a word, all right?
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Okay, if you encyst....
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.
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