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Atavachron
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Posted: March 14 2007 at 03:07 |
but wait... I used to be a major metalhead, so I used to like Dio (mainly the first two records), and I loved his guitarist Viv Campbell years before in the Irish metal band Sweet Savage.
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The Whistler
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Posted: March 14 2007 at 03:12 |
I lost my copy of Holy Diver somewhere...which is really quite sad, because I wanted to blast it out my window at the neighbors the other night when they were having some kind of adult contemporary pop fueled party.
Just say six Hail Dios and you'll be fine.
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Atavachron
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Posted: March 14 2007 at 03:25 |
ah yes, a lot of those in L.A., as I recall.. especially those Valley parties at the rich kid's houses.
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The Whistler
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Posted: March 14 2007 at 03:27 |
Stooopid rich kids with their snobby, elitist parties. Either they need to invite me so's I can be a snobby elite, or they need to learn some respect for Dio!
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Atavachron
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Posted: March 14 2007 at 03:30 |
and now we should stop killing this thread and hope that someone wanting to discuss the pros and cons of Boston as ProgRelated comes along.
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The Whistler
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Posted: March 14 2007 at 03:33 |
Alright, I'll try to steer us back on track...
I myself cannot truly comment on Boston, as, as usualy, I don't feel my knowledge is satisfactory. I don't know if they caught any progresive minded trends early or later on, if their music is lenghty and complex leaning, or if any of their albums were conceptual(although, I still state that "Peace of Mind" was a pretty sweet song. Dio obviously wrote it).
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Atavachron
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Posted: March 14 2007 at 03:36 |
There is that one smokin' cut on the first album-- it's a semi-classical instrumental with organ and guitar... sweet. Forget the name of it
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bhikkhu
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Posted: March 14 2007 at 11:41 |
E-Dub wrote:
rileydog22 wrote:
Not even close. They don't strike me as progressive in the least. For that matter, neither are Zeppelin or Queen. I guess Boston wouldn't be a huge step in the recent trend of incorperating every single classic rock band into the Prog Related section.
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I agree. I voted 'yes' because of the others inclusion. I think what finally did it for me was allowing Split Enz to be prog related. If anything, The Cure are a ton more prog than they are, but I don't even consider them prog related.
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Have you heard Split Enz early albums? I would have agreed with you until I heard "Mental Notes." It's nothing like their '80s stuff. I also think the Cure deserve some consideration. But the stigma about '80s bands obscures objectivity.
Boston may have had some leanings in a prog direction, but a few decent keyboard parts do not make prog.
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salmacis
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Posted: March 14 2007 at 14:05 |
The one thing I've ever heard from Boston that even approaches prog is 'Foreplay', and even that's an introductory passage to another AOR song 'Long Time'. Great band, but they simply have no place here, imho.
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cmidkiff
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Posted: March 14 2007 at 14:11 |
If The Doors and Led Zeppelin are here then of coarse Boston should be here.
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Chris H
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Posted: March 14 2007 at 14:12 |
cmidkiff wrote:
If The Doors and Led Zeppelin are here then of coarse Boston should be here. |
Ahh the old X&Y arguement again...
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Beauty will save the world.
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bhikkhu
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Posted: March 14 2007 at 19:50 |
cmidkiff wrote:
If The Doors and Led Zeppelin are here then of coarse Boston should be here. |
Yeah, because I have a hard time telling those three bands apart.
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Posted: March 14 2007 at 22:50 |
Avoiding the temptation to include some of the "elitist" opinions, I vote that Boston does deserve to be included, at least in the prog-related sub-genre. Piece of Mind, & Foreplay/Long Time especially were standout tracks that were ahead of their time, not only sonically, but in the arrangements. I mean, I've read in some threads of the need for differing tempos, time changes, certain song lengths etc... Not every group here has them all, all the time, eh ... For those of you who may silently be objecting because you perceive them as a "commercial" AOR act, take this in consideration : most, if not all of the music, was recorded in Tom Scholz's basement by lonely ol' Tom, with Brad Delp's vocals dubbed in. Although the label insisted on Tom's reworking them (i.e. remixing), the final result was the original recordings were the ones used on the album. So, yes, you win the argument "is it prog"; but that's why PA includes more than a few subgenres, like Prog-related. If there's an aspect of a band that can relate it to the genre, it should be included. Nobody's being forced to go through the subgenres they don't like. Remember, there is some dissension as to RIO/Avant-Garde's inclusion as "prog". But it has its' own "prog" elements, even if they are not necessarily "pure" prog.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: March 15 2007 at 02:36 |
Pantacruel:
1.- Boston is not influential for any Prog band
2.- Boston is not influenced directly by any Prog band
3.- Ay other non Prog added before doesn't justify the inclusion of Boston
4.- Boston is not Prog
5.- Boston is not even Prog Related
6.- This is a Prog site, so we must priorize REALLY PROG BANDS
7.- Prog Related bands bneed to have some relevance in Prog.
8.- We shouldn't priorize Prog Related inclusions (Despite the fact that Boston is not even PR).
Iván
I see absolutely no reason.
Iván
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TheProgtologist
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Posted: March 15 2007 at 09:23 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Pantacruel:
1.- Boston is not influential for any Prog band
2.- Boston is not influenced directly by any Prog band
3.- Ay other non Prog added before doesn't justify the inclusion of Boston
4.- Boston is not Prog
5.- Boston is not even Prog Related
6.- This is a Prog site, so we must priorize REALLY PROG BANDS
7.- Prog Related bands bneed to have some relevance in Prog.
8.- We shouldn't priorize Prog Related inclusions (Despite the fact that Boston is not even PR).
Iván
I see absolutely no reason.
Iván
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My thoughts exactly Ivan.
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cmidkiff
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Posted: March 15 2007 at 10:35 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Pantacruel:
1.- Boston is not influential for any Prog band - so what
2.- Boston is not influenced directly by any Prog band - how do you know?
3.- Ay other non Prog added before doesn't justify the inclusion of Boston - sure it does, it sets precedence.
4.- Boston is not Prog - so what, half of the bands on this site are not prog
5.- Boston is not even Prog Related - if you use the same definition of "Prog Related" that got Queen, The Doors, ect. here, then it is.
6.- This is a Prog site, so we must priorize REALLY PROG BANDS - yea right, like thats happening
7.- Prog Related bands bneed to have some relevance in Prog. - not according to this site and the other bands that are here
8.- We shouldn't priorize Prog Related inclusions (Despite the fact that Boston is not even PR). - thats right, they shouldn't be here at all. Or maybe we should have "Almost Prog Related" as well
Iván
I see absolutely no reason.
Iván
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Snow Dog
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Posted: March 15 2007 at 10:37 |
Definitely yes. Its what Prog Related is all about.
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Philéas
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Posted: March 15 2007 at 11:37 |
Their two first albums are quite pleasant, but nowhere near Prog.
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thellama73
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Posted: March 15 2007 at 11:44 |
I don't see anything prog at all about Boston (although they do rock.)
Not to open up an old can of worms, but everything on Queen II is far
more proggy than anything Boston ever did.
p.s. Dio rules!
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WaywardSon
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Posted: March 15 2007 at 12:15 |
I think they only have one proggish song, Longtime/Foreplay, but besides that, it´s just good melodic rock.
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