Prog & Punk - Connection??

There are actually some stylistic connections between early neo-prog and post-punk (Twelfth Night, Pointer-era Marillion, 82-85 IQ): raw guitar riffs, ballsy drum rolls and cymbal sequences, angst drive nsinging. Of course, the prog factor was predominant, since the melodic aspect of compositions and the pompous performances had a clear "epic"-theatrical-intellectual tendency. 

IMHO, and assuming that number of heavy objects could be thrown my way--but, sorry, totally superficial discussion on totally superficial subject. I wonder what connection could exist (beyond arguments of modalities, complexities and other "secondary" musical issues) between punk and prog? Ramones' philosophy of two minute-long songs with no guitar solos and 15 minute-long KC sympho-jazzy-psychodelic suites--h-m-m? But, well, then there is always saving grace of term "Neo" which could be stuck to just about anything. In the end, as Keith Richards stated on the 2003 R'n'R Hall Of Fame Ceremony "Tchaikovsky said it--it's all rock n roll". 

Hi Russian:

Superficial it may be but its lasted four pages  Some folk have have made some good points and observations IMO, and I'm not just defending the topic because its my thread

What constitutes a discussion that is not superficial when it's just about rock/pop music?? It's nice to endulge in a bit of superficiality every now and then..

Blacksword wrote: Hi Russian: Superficial it may be but its lasted four pages  Some folk have have made some good points and observations IMO, and I'm not just defending the topic because its my thread What constitutes a discussion that is not superficial when it's just about rock/pop music?? It's nice to endulge in a bit of superficiality every now and then..

 Agree!!

James Lee wrote: Nothing mysterious about it; both prog and punk were attempts to take the basic form of rock and roll in a different direction. Progressive tried to develop the art of rock, while punk focused on the raw energy and attitude. However, once punk had opened the field (basically by saying: you don't have to be at the Keith Emerson- level of talent to make music, just pick up an instrument and play) a lot of people got very creative with the form- around the same time that the first big wave of prog was running out of steam. Judging the punk influence by just looking at the Ramones (or the Sex Pistols) is like judging prog from only what was released before 1971...it's relatively accurate, but nowhere near the whole spectrum.

I got to give U credit for this extremely well weighted attitude (and post) and in many respects it is true--very difficult to argue. Albeit, I'll still will choose Emerson over any most advanced offspring of punk on any given day--well, it's just me, allright?