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avalanchemaster
Forum Senior Member Joined: March 02 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 730 |
Posted: March 04 2007 at 17:53 | |
The Peter Brotzmann Octet- Machine Gun
is awonderful disc....though the copy I got (originally recorded in '68!!!!!) suffers mildly from bad sound production....BUT the listening experience itself is unique and like nothing else I have ever heard....so YES I endorse this recommendation! Utter melodic chaotic craziness....
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progreviews
Forum Senior Member Joined: June 21 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 271 |
Posted: March 04 2007 at 19:06 | |
Hey,
There's no guitar in it but I really want to highlight Soft Mountain's self-titled album. It just came out and features Elton Dean and Hugh Hopper alongside Yoshida Tatsuya (Ruins) and Hoppy Kamiyama. Absolutely amazing free-improv, the Hopper/Yoshida rhythm section is just tremendous. Highly recommended! Wayside has it for a reasonable price ($16 I think). |
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con safo
Prog Reviewer Joined: March 17 2005 Status: Offline Points: 1230 |
Posted: March 04 2007 at 19:18 | |
i've been searching for this one... sounds great! |
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The Wizard
Prog Reviewer Joined: July 18 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 7341 |
Posted: March 04 2007 at 20:18 | |
I hear the Sun City Girls are pretty good.
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superprog
Forum Senior Member Joined: July 07 2006 Status: Offline Points: 1354 |
Posted: March 05 2007 at 00:45 | |
but are they avant jazz?? always though of em as sheer avant-folkrock-ethno-forgery-madness!!!!
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MusicForSpeedin
Forum Senior Member Joined: July 22 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 613 |
Posted: March 05 2007 at 21:05 | |
The Sun City Girls are very good.
Even if it isn't jazz it is still amazing music.
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Rocktopus
Forum Senior Member Joined: March 02 2006 Location: Norway Status: Offline Points: 4202 |
Posted: March 06 2007 at 18:25 | |
No, but I'm planning to. Some more reccomendations. A little random. Some old, some new, well known, unknown, but I love them all: A brand new Shining album Grindstone Medeski, Martin & Wood The Dropper Otomo Yoshihide, Park Je Chun, Mi Yeon: Loose Community Horde Catalytique Pour La Fin: Gestation Sonore Dedalus Materiale Per Tre Esecutori E Nastro Magnetico Norman Connors Dark of Light Herbie Hancock Crossings Miles Davis Dark Magus BTW:Avalanchemaster: I am looking for dissonant, weird/experimental jazz (fusion?) that utilizes guitars.... Zeuhl is basically all that, but you probably know that already? Edited by Rocktopus - March 06 2007 at 18:28 |
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Over land and under ashes
In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
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progreviews
Forum Senior Member Joined: June 21 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 271 |
Posted: March 06 2007 at 21:30 | |
On the contrary... zeuhl has very little to do with avant jazz, although a lot of it is fusionish. But most zeuhl also downplays the role of the guitar. Great stuff but the recommendation is off target I think. For fusion heads the rest of your reccos are pretty great - the new Shining is really growing on me; I like it a lot better than their last one. |
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Reverie
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Posted: March 06 2007 at 23:50 | |
Gotta highlight this one. I just recieved it today and it's an instant favourite. I' ve never heard anything quite like it, and nothing has ever brought about a feeling quite like that album does.
A couple of other relevant CDs i recieved are the reissue of the first Incus release, "The Topography of the Lungs", which is great, and Albert Ayler's "Spiritual Unity", which i haven't listened to just yet, but i'm sure it'll be as great as i'm expecting.
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avalanchemaster
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Posted: March 07 2007 at 01:14 | |
Rocktopus:
check out Rope (from Chicago) for experimental, dissonant, weird stuff. It is truly amazing stuff. their new one is called "Heresy, and then nothing but tears"....highly recommended for this type of stuff. http://www.tinymixtapes.com/spip.php?article492 http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=45952495 |
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Rocktopus
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Posted: March 07 2007 at 03:41 | |
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Over land and under ashes
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Rocktopus
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Posted: March 07 2007 at 04:02 | |
Oooo, its brilliant. Strangely it reminded me quite a bit of this favorite, french, NWW-list, obscurity of mine, its almost like they've must have heard Horrific Child: So I guess I'll reccomend you that one. |
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Over land and under ashes
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A B Negative
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 02 2006 Location: Methil Republic Status: Offline Points: 1594 |
Posted: March 08 2007 at 12:01 | |
Good call! The first time I heard Machine Gun I couldn't even work out what instruments were making that incredible noise!
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"The disgusting stink of a too-loud electric guitar.... Now, that's my idea of a good time."
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avestin
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Posted: March 09 2007 at 23:18 | |
This is a post I made in my I Recommend thread and I post it here at the request of Avalanchemaster (the thread starter):
After being exposed lately to some of the jazz/avant jazz and related scenes I ordered several cd's from various groups/ensembles/musicians and among them were several of the projects of guitarist Nels Cline.
Obviously, he's not the only one I got to konw in this "research" I am doing, but I thought of starting with him.
Instead of me introducing him, let me point you here - http://www.nelscline.com/
and here - http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/article.php?id=14490 where you will find the most elaborate bio and projects descriptions.
Here is a shorter biography - http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/musician.php?id=2885
Here are some reviews of the albums I purchased:
And something else to add besides that post:
I also got some Tim Berne albums:
Hard Cell - Feign and Electric and Acoustic Hard Cell Live
Ornery People
Science Friction (studio and live recordings)
Big Satan - Live Incognito
Must say I am fascinated with the free feel that seems to be spilling from these albums. The percussions and drums are wonderful as is the organized chaos or chaotic order in there. Wonderful musicians.
His label - http://www.screwgunrecords.com/
Discography - http://www.wnur.org/Jazz/artists/berne.tim/discog.html
General info - http://www.indiejazz.com/ArtistDetail.aspx?ArtistID=159
Review by Brandon (progreviews from the posts above) - http://www.progreviews.com/reviews/display.php?rev=tb-lc
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avestin
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Posted: March 09 2007 at 23:45 | |
I forgot to mention one more album I got from Wayside according to the advice of one of the posters in this thread (forgot who, sorry...).
Woodson's Ellipsis, Rich - Control And Resistance
Here's a description I found somewhere else:
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Description:
Rich Woodson is a self-taught composer and guitarist who grew up on hard rock and heavy metal in Nashville, TN and San Antonio and Austin, TX. His major musical influences are Tim Berne, Frank Zappa, Watchtower (the 1980's Austin metal band, who invented the "technical metal" subgenre) and composer Charles Wuorinen. This debut CD is a bold and brilliant synthesis of avant, rock, modern jazz and contemporary composition. A quintet using the simple instrumentation of tenor sax, soprano sax, guitar, acoustic bass & drums. There is simply so much musical information going on here that I am sometimes reminded of the first time I heard Trout Mask Replica where multiple playings are necessary to reveal all of the hidden musical treasure... Ellipsis is Peter Epstein and Aaron Stewart on saxes, Richard Woodson on el. guitar & compositions, Mat Fields on acoustic bass and John Hollenbeck on drums. A most impressive progressive debut from a local guitarist and composer who has been at our shop a few times through the years. I also recognize both sax players - Aaron Stewart also comes to DMG often and plays for Muhal Richard Abrams & just saw him with the Julius Hemphill Sax Sextet at the Vision Fest this week. Peter Epstein has cds on MA and is in a trio with Tronzo & J. Granelli. Drummer John Hollenbeck's name seems to pop up in many different downtown units. This release features the music of a very talented newcomer - Richard Woodson. The instrumentation here would lead one to anticipate that this a jazz ensemble, but this is not the case. Although these are jazz players, this music is not involved with swinging, yet it is still rich and varied in content. On the other hand, it doesn't rock hard either. The writing/playing is still somewhat busy, but never too dense and always intricate and well centered. All but two of these pieces are pretty short, yet constantly change to keep everyone on their toes. This music is not about solos either, it is about challenging ensemble playing. It is surprising to hear an acoustic bassist in this progressive context, yet it consistently works. This wonderful music probably comes from a more modern classical background and occasionally reminds me of Henry Cow or Gentle Giant, but not as far out. There are a few layers of inter-locking parts which are in constant motion, so it takes concentration to hear all that is going on. Rich tells me that Ellipsis hasn't played live in three years, so I will have to give them the opportunity to come out of hibernation once more. Prog-heads show your support and purchase this fine work" -BLG "
Here's a myspace:
http://www.waysidemusic.com/ProductInfo.aspx?productid=Rune%20132 (there is also one for 4$).
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avalanchemaster
Forum Senior Member Joined: March 02 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 730 |
Posted: March 10 2007 at 19:43 | |
Grand Ulena- gateway to dignity
got this disc in the mail today from Family Vineyard and it is a smoking instrumental trio (guitar/bass/drums) who play stuff in the Rope vein. Features one member from The Dazzling Killmen on bass.....good stuff and totally insane! http://www.grandulena.com/ (also check out the Family Vineyard link on the above site to get some info on other interesting artists....) |
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avestin
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Posted: March 10 2007 at 20:11 | |
Thanks for the info, sounds like my thing too. Will hunt this down.
Right now an listening to Ut Gret - Time of the Grets and loving every minute.
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avestin
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Posted: March 11 2007 at 21:28 | |
Finally got to listen to this.
This is great! Did not see this coming... Thought it was something else completely, some abstract avantgarde pieces but oh no.
Thanks again Adam!
Voted Yes for them on our chart.
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Reverie
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 14 2005 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 626 |
Posted: March 11 2007 at 21:50 | |
I just listened to "Call In Question" from Masayuki Takayanagi. Takayanagi seems ot be a bit of an icon Japanese guitarist, starting in Jazz and making his way into free improv. "Call In Question" is of the latter style, and is very good stuff! See the Mutant Sounds blog for more info if you're interested.
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Apsalar
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Posted: March 12 2007 at 03:45 | |
No worries, for some reason I thought you had already heard the album. If not I would have fixed you up a long time ago. Most places seem to crown it has a Japanese Bitches Brew. Hopefully a few more votes and they will be here for good Keep all the recommendations coming! |
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