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    Posted: March 03 2007 at 16:37
Looking for stuff in the Rope (Chicago;  highly recommended:  "heresy, and then nothing but tears"), Frith, Frissell,Zorn, Ribot.....etc. etc.
 
I am looking for dissonant, weird/experimental jazz (fusion?) that utilizes guitars.....
Even if it is Heavy, that is great (for a reference, think the latest Ephel Duath album, Pain necessary to know....highly recommended as well)

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well, im afraid i dont know about too much stuff as avant-garde as Zorn (im unfamiliar with the others you mentioned)
but for avant-garde jazz i do know of "The Vandermark 5", or anything else touched by Ken Vandermark, and its pretty cool, i definately suggest them.
also, "The Schlippenbach Quartet", from the one sample song i have, is pretty good too
those are more "normal" jazz in the sense that they take normal jazz formula and add dissonant solos, found sounds, etc.

however, this isnt the best site for these things...i suggest you try www.epitonic.com as they have an entire jazz section more or less dedicated to that sort of thing...but mostly modern bands



if you can find anything remotely like Ephel Duath then please post it sometime because i'd love to find that too
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another one to refer:
 
Trevor Dunn's Trio Convulsant.
amazing, amazing avant jazz that gets heavy with the occasional distorted guitars.....but really just phenomenal freak out jazz stuff....
 

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I'll be keeping an eye on this thread cause I'm interested in Avant Jazz.
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Mr Bungle - Disco Volante
John Zorn - Naked City
RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on!
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Zorn is the obvious leader/more well known contributor to this genre.....and I mentioned him....but I want MORE dammit!    MORE!

 
check out Derek Bailey....for amazing playing on guitar like no other guitarist....
he did an album with Jamaaladeen Tacuma on bass called MIRAKLE (tzadik) that is quite out there and very interesting (although not for everybody)....

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Ben - Avant Insanity On Bass Wink
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Not sure it fits your quest and you probably know this:
Otomo Yoshihide,Bill Laswell,Yoshida Tatsuya - Episome
 
 
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If you are looking for guitar fronted Avant-jazz I would have to say "Date Course Pentagon Royal Garden's" first album 'Report From Iron Mountain' is essential.



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Date Course Pentagon Royal Garden

What happens when some of the more mischievous characters in the Japanese experimental underground get together to form a superband? The 11-piece juggernaut Date Course Pentagon Royal Garden would seem to be the answer.

Formed by Naruyoshi Kikuchi out of the remains of his longstanding free jazz collective Tipographica, the group is fronted by guitarist Yoshihide Otomo, originally known for his guitar work with the New Jazz Quintet. DCPRG also includes fellow New Jazz Quintet members Kenta Tsugami and Yasuhiro Yoshigaki.

Taking as their jumping off point the intersection between free jazz and improvisational electronica, DCPRG made something of a minor splash with the release of their January debut, Report from Iron Mountain (P-Vine).

Named after a confidential US government war report as well as a live house where the band has appeared, Iron Mountain immediately established DCPRG, along with the Boredoms and Rovo, as leaders of the Japanese post-rock movement.

Meanwhile, this Sunday's event at Liquid Room will see DCPRG in the company of some of the producers it worked with on its most recent project, General Presentation Products Chain Drasticism, also for P-Vine. The double CD includes one disc of the band performing live, and another of a range of DJ/producers remixing DCPRG tracks.

The live session shows the band chugging along in a groove that recalls the free-form electric jams of late '60s, Bitches Brew-era Miles Davis, while the remix disc reflects the cut 'n' paste, desktop computer deconstruction techniques of producers like Tatsuya Oe a.k.a. Captain Funk, who will also be on hand at Liquid Room.

As the strong turnout for last summer's two-day improvisational music festival the True People's Celebration indicated, there is a growing audience in Japan for this music. The scene taps into the unfortunately termed “jam band” movement and Japan's vibrant electronica/dance culture, while maintaining its roots in free jazz and experimental music.

With younger fans in mind, DCPRG have been playing all-night dance events, such as this Sunday's party at Liquid Room, which will offer a good opportunity to hear this take-no-prisoners musical steamroller over a sound system worthy of their scope and scale.
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check out Tim Berne:
 
 
his Big Satan disc "souls saved hear" is essential, and features an absolute shredder of a guitarist....this is hard bop take no prisoners stuff.....highly recommended!

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There are some interesting West Coast artists working in this field.  Lots of records to choose from, but from what I know I'd recommend:

Bendian / Stinson / Gauthier / Liebig, Bone Structure:  http://www.indiejazz.com/page.aspx?page=product_details&ProductID=4
 
Gregg Bendian's Interzone, Requiem for Jack Kirby:  http://www.atavistic.com/artist.cfm?action=2&ThisArtist=68&itemid=184
 
Nels Cline / Gregg Bendian:  Interstellar Space Revisited:  http://www.atavistic.com/artist.cfm?action=2&ThisArtist=68&itemid=31
 
 
 
 
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I love Trevor Dunn's Trio-Convulsant but I have a problem with freer jazz. are you aware that Derek Bailey collaborated with Tatsuya Yoshida of Ruins?
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Go to Tzadik.com and take a look around.
 
Countless names.
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French TV
 
Deus Ex Machina
 
JohnZorn (the definition of avan-garde jazz mind blitz, pending which material you listen to in his vast catalog. 
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Well witht he words "weird", "dissonant", "zorn", "bailey", "jazz", "avant" in mind....

Evan Parker, Albert Ayler, Pharoah Sanders, Borbetomagus, Helena Espvall, Last Exit

Not all contain guitars though, mainly Borbetomagus and Last Exit. Espvall uses guitar as well, but her stuff isn't so jazzy, more just weird and dissonant.
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Originally posted by NotSoKoolAid NotSoKoolAid wrote:

Go to Tzadik.com and take a look around.
 
Countless names.
 
I regularly go there!  Smile

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Try this one:

Kieran Hebden and Steve Reid. The Exchange session vol. 1
Over land and under ashes
In the sunlight, see - it flashes
Find a fly and eat his eye
But don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
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Originally posted by Rocktopus Rocktopus wrote:

Try this one:

Kieran Hebden and Steve Reid. The Exchange session vol. 1
 
do you know how Vol. II is?

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I told you'd get some good help on this board, Wink
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Some avant garde jazz without the guitar...sorry. These guys probably influenced the stuff you are listening to. I know they influenced Zorn.

Eric Dolphy (Mentioned on Frank Zappa's Weasels Ripped My Flesh)
Yusef Lateef
Ornette Coleman
Sun Ra
 
 
 
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