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PROGMAN
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Topic: BRITISH PROG IS THE BEST! Posted: August 19 2004 at 15:45 |
YES WE HAVE THE BEST THE BEST PROG BANDS KING CRIMSON, PINK FLOYD, GENESIS, VDGG, CAMEL, JETHRO TULL, YES, ELP, MAYBE? LED ZEP, ALSO MAYBE? BLACK SABBATH, HAWKWIND, MARILLION, MANFRED MANN'S EARTHBAND, URIAH HEEP, BARCLEY JAMES HARVEST, ARTHUR BROWN, THE NICE, STRAWBS AND MANY MORE ANYONE AGREE? BUT WE WELSH HAVE MAN AND BUDGIE AS OUR PROG ROCK GROUPS 100% WELSH. BUT THE ABOVE BANDS ARE ENGLISH DAMMITT
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Blacksword
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Posted: August 19 2004 at 15:58 |
Prog is a distinctly English affair old chap Allowing for Rush who are of course Canadian.
However, the Welsh do have the best indie rock bands IMO, The Manics, Catatonia (had) The Stereophonics, Super furry animals. I think that counts for something. 
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emdiar
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Posted: August 19 2004 at 16:25 |
You'll get no argument here Progman. As I'm English with a big slice of Taff (Surname and Y chromosome) I'll have to agree with both of you, but please let's not forget the likes of Gong. AussieAngloFrenchy types have a place in progland too. Any more multi-nationals you can think of?
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emdiar
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Posted: August 19 2004 at 16:28 |
Where are all the Kansas fans? I expect a transatlantic backlash some time soon.
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James Lee
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Posted: August 19 2004 at 16:29 |
Italy a close second
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The Prognaut
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Posted: August 19 2004 at 16:33 |
Most of my favorite bands come from England. But generally speaking, almost anything regarding Europe is considered excellent prog. Take a look at the Scandinavian prog scene for instance. Italy, Germany and France are/were precursors as well.
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AngelRat
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Posted: August 19 2004 at 16:38 |
Don't forget my fellow Dutchmen: Earth and Fire (first 4 albums), Finch, Supersister, Focus, Kayak (first 3 albums), some other names...
Kansas was an obvious threat against the British domination of course.
What about Mahavishnu Orchestra? US-based, but the first line-up was a multi-cultural affair. Ok, they're more jazz/fusion than classic prog, but great nonetheless.
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emdiar
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Posted: August 19 2004 at 16:47 |
AngelRat wrote:
Kansas was an obvious threat against the British domination of course.
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IN THEIR DREAMS!!!!!!!!
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AngelRat
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Posted: August 19 2004 at 16:52 |
emdiar wrote:
AngelRat wrote:
Kansas was an obvious threat against the British domination of course.
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IN THEIR DREAMS!!!!!!!!
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Their dreams were strong...
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philippe
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Posted: August 19 2004 at 16:53 |
 GERMAN PROG IS THE BEST
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emdiar
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Posted: August 19 2004 at 16:53 |
AngelRat wrote:
emdiar wrote:
AngelRat wrote:
Kansas was an obvious threat against the British domination of course.
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IN THEIR DREAMS!!!!!!!!
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Their dreams were strong...
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...But their albums were not.
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emdiar
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Posted: August 19 2004 at 16:57 |
philippe wrote:
GERMAN PROG IS THE BEST |
Germans Know a thing or two about electric synth music (TD, Klause Schulze, Ashra etc.) but some of their prog is not exactly top rate (The Eloy.)
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James Lee
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Posted: August 19 2004 at 17:01 |
Someone might be expecting me to protest, but I can't. The US doesn't really have much of a showing in the history of prog. Kansas (along with just a couple of my favorite recent bands) was our best shot and I can't honestly put them up with King Crimson, Yes, Jethro Tull, Genesis, ELP, Gentle Giant, Caravan, etc etc....I think a lot of this influence comes from a long cultural, literary, and musical tradition, and the US just doesn't have much of a history of its own before the 1500s. I have heard the opinion that Americans are inordinately fascinated with anything old- given the chosen sounds and subject matter of a lot of prog, that might account for the some of the popularity of prog on these shores. I just hope you crazy foreigners appreciate what you've got
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philippe
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Posted: August 19 2004 at 17:05 |
You are right Emdiar (up to a certain point)... but what do you think of german prog bands as Nektar, Gila, Grobschnitt, Novalis...their albums are certainly badly distributed compared to English prog, but it dosen't mean that because they don't sell that they are not classics.
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lucas
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Posted: August 19 2004 at 17:15 |
No country is the best, you have good prog bands in every country.
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"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)
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Dan Bobrowski
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Posted: August 19 2004 at 19:01 |
lucas wrote:
No country is the best, you have good prog bands in every country. |
Thank you.... 
Remember to replace "BEST" with "FAVORITE."
Edited by danbo
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: August 19 2004 at 23:22 |
Progman wrote:
YES WE HAVE THE BEST THE BEST PROG BANDS KING CRIMSON, PINK FLOYD, GENESIS, VDGG, CAMEL, JETHRO TULL, YES, ELP, MAYBE? LED ZEP, ALSO MAYBE? BLACK SABBATH, HAWKWIND, MARILLION, MANFRED MANN'S EARTHBAND, URIAH HEEP, BARCLEY JAMES HARVEST, ARTHUR BROWN, THE NICE, STRAWBS AND MANY MORE ANYONE AGREE? BUT WE WELSH HAVE MAN AND BUDGIE AS OUR PROG ROCK GROUPS 100% WELSH. BUT THE ABOVE BANDS ARE ENGLISH DAMMITT |
In first place Progman, PLEASE DON'T WRITE IN HIGH CASE, IT'S ANNOYING.
Back to the subject:
Love British prog, and Genesis is my favorite band, but I dopn't Believe Brits have the exclusive for Prog' Rock.
USA: Kansas, Pavlov's Dog, Glass Hammer, Echolyn}
Germany: Triumvirat
Italy: PFM, Le Orme, Banco del Mutuo Soccorso.
Netherlands. Focus
Sweden: Anglagard, Par Lindh, Anekdoten
Israel: Trespass, Sympopzium, etc
Perú: Frágil, Traffic Sound Laghonia.
Probably you don't know about this bands and 100 more, that's why you affirm that.
Iván
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richardh
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Posted: August 20 2004 at 04:55 |
My favourite band at the moment are Magenta and they come from Wales! Also in the seventies there was the Anglo-Welsh band Lone Star who made 2 very fine albums in a prog metal vein.
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Dick Heath
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Posted: August 20 2004 at 05:04 |
Blacksword wrote:
Prog is a distinctly English affair old chap Allowing for Rush who are of course Canadian.

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Only if you take Ed Macan's thesis too seriously. Don't ignore the Californian's Touch. And one US academic who have you also consider United States Of America. And the Mothers........................ etc etc
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Blacksword
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Posted: August 20 2004 at 07:31 |
Its been pointed out by many in this discussion, that there are good prog acts from countries other than the UK. Good they may be, but I think its fair to say we had the most successful bands. Successful because they were the best?? Maybe, maybe not. Thats all down to taste and opinion. What makes Engalnd the home of prog, IMO, is that this is where it originated.
Can anyone tell me what progressive music was being made in the US or elsewhere when the Floyd, Moody Blues, The Nice, etc were starting out??
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