East of Eden

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   There are some problems, controversies, and inaccuracies with the East of Eden discography here.

a. The line-up for East of Eden (1971) is incorrect. The correct line-up will be shown below.

b. The order of 1971 albums is wrong. It shouls be:  Jig-a-Jig (a compilation; still with the SNAFU line-up), then East of Eden (July 1971) (with massive personnel change already), then New Leaf (November 1971). 

c. Some additional albums information (including album covers, tracks, and lines-up; not including track lengths and release information). I'll also try to add them, but see my point below.

1. East of Eden
Line-up:
-Jeff Allen / drums, percussion
- Dave Arbus / violin, saxophone, flute
- David Jack / vocals, bass, guitar
- Jim Roche / guitar

2. Another Eden (1975)
Tracks:
1. Mandarin's Daughter
2. Hey Zimmerman
3. Kensington Cowboy
4. Catalina Troubour
5. What's Happening
6. Summer Days
7. Hey Baby
8. Fancy Nancy

Line-up:
- Jeff Allen / drums
- Dave Arbus / violin, saxophone, flute
- Martin Fisher / bass, keyboards, vocals
- Joe O'Donnell / violin
- Garth Watt-Roy / guitar, vocals

Cover:

3. Here We Go Again (1976)
Tracks:
1. Like a Plate
2. When All Is Said and Done
3. Jack of Diamonds
4. Failing Down
5. Talkin' on the Telephone
6. Merci, Merci
7. Here We Go Again
8. Spain
9. Heaven Knows
10. You Can Find the Star
11. Let's Find Some Time

Line-up:
- Jeff Allen / drums
- Les Davidson / Guitar
- Pete Filleul / keyboards
- Dean Ford / vocals
- George Howden / trumpet
- Davy Jack / bass, vocals
- Don Weller / saxophone

Cover:

4. It's the Climate (1976)
Tracks:
1. Rock'n'Roll King
2. It's the Climate
3. This Time
4. Walnut
5. Sensible Shoes
6. If You Go
7. Patterns
8. Down and Out
9. You

Line-up:
- John Acock / keyboards
- Jeff Allen / drums
- Les Davidson / guitar
- George Howden / trombone
- Davy Jack / vocals
- Dyl Katz / bass
- Brenda Lynn / ? (sic!)
- Ian Lynn / keyboards
- David Rose / keyboards
- Barry St. John / vocals
- Theodore Thunder / drums
- Don Weller / saxophone

Cover:

5. Silver Park (1978)
Tracks:
1. Low Moan
2. What Funn
3. Calypso
4. Silver Park
5. Strawberry Pie
6. Burnin'
7. Look what You've Done
8. Rock Reggae
9. Bad Weather
10. Road Work

Line-up:
- Jeff Allen / drums
- Les Davidson / guitar
- Davy Jack / vocals
- Dyl Katz / bass
- Ian Lynn / keyboards
- Don Weller / saxophone

Cover:

The site the above information is taken from: http://www.softshoe-slim.com/lists/e/east.html

d. (The most painful point, I have to admit)
From one hand, I'm going to add some missing albums by East of Eden. From the other hand, there is a general controversy about the group discography. Their official website (http://www.eastofedentheband.com/) considers only their first two (Mercator Projected and SNAFU) and last three (Kallypse, Armadillo, Graffito) as East of Eden albums. There is some logic in that. From East of Eden (1971) on, the line-up is totally different, with the only exception of Dave Arbus. After some releases even he leaves the group. Also, I have heard both East of Eden and New Leaf -- they are hardly Prog. Well, this is not a strong argument -- first of all, it's only my opinion, secondly, there are other examples of non-Prog albums from Prog groups (the famous Genesis and Yes 80s albums).
So, here I am -- having added the albums, I want them to be removed.

Your thoughts...

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Fassbinder Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member VIP Member Joined: May 27 2006 Location: My world Status: Offline Points: 3497	Topic: East of Eden Posted: February 07 2007 at 17:41
	There are some problems, controversies, and inaccuracies with the East of Eden discography here. a. The line-up for East of Eden (1971) is incorrect. The correct line-up will be shown below. b. The order of 1971 albums is wrong. It shouls be: Jig-a-Jig (a compilation; still with the SNAFU line-up), then East of Eden (July 1971) (with massive personnel change already), then New Leaf (November 1971). c. Some additional albums information (including album covers, tracks, and lines-up; not including track lengths and release information). I'll also try to add them, but see my point below. 1. East of Eden Line-up: -Jeff Allen / drums, percussion - Dave Arbus / violin, saxophone, flute - David Jack / vocals, bass, guitar - Jim Roche / guitar 2. Another Eden (1975) Tracks: 1. Mandarin's Daughter 2. Hey Zimmerman 3. Kensington Cowboy 4. Catalina Troubour 5. What's Happening 6. Summer Days 7. Hey Baby 8. Fancy Nancy Line-up: - Jeff Allen / drums - Dave Arbus / violin, saxophone, flute - Martin Fisher / bass, keyboards, vocals - Joe O'Donnell / violin - Garth Watt-Roy / guitar, vocals Cover: 3. Here We Go Again (1976) Tracks: 1. Like a Plate 2. When All Is Said and Done 3. Jack of Diamonds 4. Failing Down 5. Talkin' on the Telephone 6. Merci, Merci 7. Here We Go Again 8. Spain 9. Heaven Knows 10. You Can Find the Star 11. Let's Find Some Time Line-up: - Jeff Allen / drums - Les Davidson / Guitar - Pete Filleul / keyboards - Dean Ford / vocals - George Howden / trumpet - Davy Jack / bass, vocals - Don Weller / saxophone Cover: 4. It's the Climate (1976) Tracks: 1. Rock'n'Roll King 2. It's the Climate 3. This Time 4. Walnut 5. Sensible Shoes 6. If You Go 7. Patterns 8. Down and Out 9. You Line-up: - John Acock / keyboards - Jeff Allen / drums - Les Davidson / guitar - George Howden / trombone - Davy Jack / vocals - Dyl Katz / bass - Brenda Lynn / ? (sic!) - Ian Lynn / keyboards - David Rose / keyboards - Barry St. John / vocals - Theodore Thunder / drums - Don Weller / saxophone Cover: 5. Silver Park (1978) Tracks: 1. Low Moan 2. What Funn 3. Calypso 4. Silver Park 5. Strawberry Pie 6. Burnin' 7. Look what You've Done 8. Rock Reggae 9. Bad Weather 10. Road Work Line-up: - Jeff Allen / drums - Les Davidson / guitar - Davy Jack / vocals - Dyl Katz / bass - Ian Lynn / keyboards - Don Weller / saxophone Cover: The site the above information is taken from: http://www.softshoe-slim.com/lists/e/east.html d. (The most painful point, I have to admit) From one hand, I'm going to add some missing albums by East of Eden. From the other hand, there is a general controversy about the group discography. Their official website (http://www.eastofedentheband.com/) considers only their first two (Mercator Projected and SNAFU) and last three (Kallypse, Armadillo, Graffito) as East of Eden albums. There is some logic in that. From East of Eden (1971) on, the line-up is totally different, with the only exception of Dave Arbus. After some releases even he leaves the group. Also, I have heard both East of Eden and New Leaf -- they are hardly Prog. Well, this is not a strong argument -- first of all, it's only my opinion, secondly, there are other examples of non-Prog albums from Prog groups (the famous Genesis and Yes 80s albums). So, here I am -- having added the albums, I want them to be removed. Your thoughts...

Fassbinder Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member VIP Member Joined: May 27 2006 Location: My world Status: Offline Points: 3497	Posted: February 07 2007 at 18:19
	New Leaf bonus tracks: 11. Jig-a-Jig (3:38) 12. Boogie Woogie Flu (3:20) 13. Last Dance of the Clown (3:50) 14. Sin City Girls (3:38) 15. All Our Yesterdays (2:48)

Joolz Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 24 2006 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 1377	Posted: February 07 2007 at 18:31
	It's getting late and I'm off to bed now, but my initial thoughts on your question are: 1. If these albums are by the band calling itself 'East Of Eden' which has continuity with the band that released the other albums, then they are correct to be here. I don't know anything of the history but it sounds like a bit of 'politicking' by one or more factions(?)! Many bands had line-up changes, some quite drastic, and yet are still considered to be the same band, eg Renaissance which changed line-up completely between second and third albums. 2. Site policy is that ALL albums by a band are included, ie we don't omit some just because they are no longer Prog, or any other reason for that matter. Maybe we should put the whole thing before the Art Rock specialists?

Fassbinder Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member VIP Member Joined: May 27 2006 Location: My world Status: Offline Points: 3497	Posted: February 07 2007 at 18:35
	Maybe... For the moment, I more tend to want them to stay (after all, I've added them... ). Meanwhile another error is found -- the right title of 1996 album is Kalipse (also seen at the cover), not Kallypse as it appears currently. Edited by Fassbinder - February 07 2007 at 18:48

Fassbinder Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member VIP Member Joined: May 27 2006 Location: My world Status: Offline Points: 3497	Posted: February 07 2007 at 18:46
	The story of the band is as follows: after releasing two albums, the personnel was changed, and the only original member of the band remained. Then he stayed for another couple of albums (it may be called/considered "transitional period"), and, finally, left. After some new releases the group disbanded, but, after some 20 years after that, three original members re-united under the same name. In fact, the name East of Eden has never been changed. So, according to the site policy, all the albums should stay. The only problem/question is with the band's official site attitude/relation to the "mid-era" albums.

Joolz Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 24 2006 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 1377	Posted: February 08 2007 at 02:14
	a. East Of Eden line-up updated b. New Leaf bonus tracks added I've had a look at the 'official' website ..... without knowing anything more of the history, it certainly looks like a 'political' thing .... their viewpoint is that of Dave Arbus and have simply erased the rest as if it didn't exist .... that is their problem ... I think we have done the right thing by entering all the albums .... unless we have some EoE expert who can tell us otherwise ....

Fassbinder Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member VIP Member Joined: May 27 2006 Location: My world Status: Offline Points: 3497	Posted: February 08 2007 at 10:43
	OK, we are welcome! Let's them (the newly added albums) stay. But, Joolz, please, correct the title of 1996 album (it seems that you've just overlooked it) -- it appears as Kallypse currently, but it should be Kalipse (see also the cover of the album itself).

Joolz Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 24 2006 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 1377	Posted: February 09 2007 at 05:17
	Opps, yes you're right ... but its done now