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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 04 2007 at 11:14
Originally posted by Heavyfreight Heavyfreight wrote:

Originally posted by OpethGuitarist OpethGuitarist wrote:

It's become a sort of culture in America, to never admit failure on your own part and always pass the blame on to someone else.
 
Not just in America.  The UK Labour party seem to have gone well up this road in the last few years.Confused


You stole my thunder, I was going to say something similar to this!  It's not just the British government mind you.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 04 2007 at 11:21
Man, if this happened in Fort Wayne...wait, what am I saying???....this would NEVER happen in Fort Wayne! LOL We'd probably just kiss the floor the perpetrators walk on for giving us the attention! Embarrassed We've basically had a frenzy over a passing comment by Colts coach Dungy about maybe holding the Superbowl in FW. So silly.

Look on the bright side, though. At least the Boston police aren't portrayed as badly as they were in The Departed. Cool
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 04 2007 at 22:28
Originally posted by zappaholic zappaholic wrote:

This is just further proof that the terrorists have won.

You know what we need to fight back terrorism? More cowbell!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 04 2007 at 23:44

Pure Brilliance:
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 05 2007 at 03:19
Originally posted by Geck0 Geck0 wrote:



Originally posted by Heavyfreight Heavyfreight wrote:

Originally posted by OpethGuitarist OpethGuitarist wrote:


It's become a sort of culture in America, to never admit failure on your own part and always pass the blame on to someone else.

 

Not just in America.  The UK Labour party seem to have gone well up this road in the last few years.Confused
You stole my thunder, I was going to say something similar to this!  It's not just the British government mind you.


Damn you both - I was going to say that, too

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 05 2007 at 05:21
Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:

With my admin hat on, please also bear in mind that some of our members will be in the police. They are entitled to the same respect as the rest of our members in these parts.


That wasn't meant as a slight, though I can definately see why it  could be taken that way. During my time as a criminology student, looking at police culture, however, it's fairly clear that, although generally well intentioned, they can be heavy handed and discriminatory, whether they're nice people or not.

My comments, probably weren't put very well, however I felt the need to challenge your argument that they do a tough job and thus we should be lenient in our judgment. Such a view can be incredibly dangerous, so I don't think we should ignore blatant mistakes and overreaction on the part of people in places of authority and responsibility. Imagine, for instance, if the person had rung up an told them about a person that they thought was looking suspicious and then they went and forcefully arrested them. Would cutting the police some slack be acceptable then?

Jim,
Generalisation? Hardly. I was careful to say "often". How you interpret "often" is up to you.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 05 2007 at 06:09
Originally posted by Forgotten Son Forgotten Son wrote:

Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:

With my admin hat on, please also bear in mind that some of our members will be in the police. They are entitled to the same respect as the rest of our members in these parts.


That wasn't meant as a slight, though I can definately see why it  could be taken that way. During my time as a criminology student, looking at police culture, however, it's fairly clear that, although generally well intentioned, they can be heavy handed and discriminatory, whether they're nice people or not.

My comments, probably weren't put very well, however I felt the need to challenge your argument that they do a tough job and thus we should be lenient in our judgment. Such a view can be incredibly dangerous, so I don't think we should ignore blatant mistakes and overreaction on the part of people in places of authority and responsibility. Imagine, for instance, if the person had rung up an told them about a person that they thought was looking suspicious and then they went and forcefully arrested them. Would cutting the police some slack be acceptable then?

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Generalisation? Hardly. I was careful to say "often". How you interpret "often" is up to you.
 
 
I think that Bob's biggest annoyment is the thread title, and from an Admin POV, I can see where his point is very valid.
 
If the thread originator could change it as to not be so insulting, much less fuss would be made....
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 05 2007 at 07:32
Originally posted by Forgotten Son Forgotten Son wrote:

Jim, Generalisation? Hardly. I was careful to say "often". How you interpret "often" is up to you.


Maybe I came across as a little heavy handed in my response, if so, I apologise - I think my general beef is that it seems sometimes that the police in general come in for a huge amount of flak and in some quarters it is seen as 'cool' to show little respect for them - when I see this, (or perhaps when I believe I see it ) I see red.

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

If the thread originator could change the title as to not be so insulting, much less fuss would be made




Edited by Jim Garten - February 05 2007 at 07:34

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 05 2007 at 11:23
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

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I think that Bob's biggest annoyment is the thread title, and from an Admin POV, I can see where his point is very valid.
 


Oh, in that case I agree fully.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 06 2007 at 16:49
Hmmm.

1. Yes, you can blame the police for some of the problem. They have a bomb squad; how long did it take them to get to the scene and determine that the device was innocuous?  The local government seems to be reacting mainly on how disrupted the city was by the scare, and to me that seems to be tacitly admitting that their own civil infrastructure is sluggish and bumbling.

2. Or you can blame the person who called in the situation. 10 cities, 40 devices per city, and then several weeks later...one lone transit worker complains. Maybe we should check to see if that person is getting some cash from Turner. Plots within plots...

3. Did anyone do their homework? ATHF may not be a household name, but I've been watching it for years and so have millions of other people. But you don't have to be a fan to know it exists and know not to take it seriously. (makes me think of Spinal Tap..."I wouldn't worry about it. It's not a big college town.")

4. Stop calling it a hoax, already. "Hoax" implies misleading intent. Show me any evidence of that. Anywhere. (Now if it was actually shaped like a bomb, that would be one thing. Oh, yeah, that's been done- for Mission Impossible 3. Remember all the furor that caused? Neither does anyone else)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 06 2007 at 17:08
Thanks for your thoughts James. I agree with a lot of it, especially the public calling it a hoax when that is obviously not the case.

Towards others that would like to see the title changed. I am a bit surprised. Threads calling out and attacking other prominent officials, often with much more derogatory remarks, (see any political thread here) are rarely if ever commented on. While here, there seems to be a big fuss over my thread title. I assume that is because police can often be seen as citizens as well, and are much more likely of a position to hold than being a government official - they are seen as "normal" folks just trying to make a living.

Regardless, I think it's being a bit over the top to ask me to change it. I PM'd Bob about it to get a clearer understanding and I think I know where he was coming from. It seems my views about use of ideas, and the freedom to express them, clash with some of the other, and it seems senior and more important members here. If so, maybe this is not the right place for me. I have come to the point where I don't enjoy posting as much as I used to (even though I never posted a lot) but given the situation, maybe I should just stick to reviewing. I don't plan on leaving the site, but maybe the forums are not for me.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 06 2007 at 17:17

I don't remember saying or implying that Joey, and I deliberately didn't ask you to change the title.

I've only made one "Admin" post in this thread, and that was a general comment reminding everyone that all our members are entitled to the same level of respect. The other post of mine made clear it was a personal view, I was merely participating in the discussion.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 06 2007 at 18:10
Sorry Bob, wasn't meant to imply it was just you directly, as there also have been comments from Sean Trane and Jim Garten, among others. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 07 2007 at 04:21
Originally posted by OpethGuitarist OpethGuitarist wrote:

Sorry Bob, wasn't meant to imply it was just you directly, as there also have been comments from Sean Trane and Jim Garten, among others. 
 
 
Guilty as charged your honour!!EmbarrassedWink
 
But I do confirm what I said in that last post, and still think a better thread title would've given a much more positive slant to your thread.
 
But obviously if the thread is still alive now, it is not that offensive either.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 07 2007 at 07:46
Originally posted by OpethGuitarist OpethGuitarist wrote:

Sorry Bob, wasn't meant to imply it was just you directly, as there also have been comments from Sean Trane and Jim Garten, among others. 


Guilty as charged, too.

I still consider the thread title to be inappropriate, but as Admin have decided to allow the title to stay unchanged, I bow to their decision.

No offense meant OG - just saying what I feel; incidentally, I'm not from Boston... or a policeman

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 07 2007 at 11:35
.... or an idiot?LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 08 2007 at 07:22
Only in a generalised way...

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