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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2007 at 19:09
Give me a flippin break. This thread was not well thought out and though I understand the reasoning, it makes no sense to either include this band nor to simply throw them up as a point of debate. There are more important issues here. Who cares why we discuss or get carried away by certain bands, this isn't Social Dynamics Archives.



    

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2007 at 19:30
Originally posted by Syzygy Syzygy wrote:

Not again Sleepy.
 
Personally I think Never Mind The Bollocks is infinitely better than Abacab, Love Beach and the Big Generator combined, and I'd sooner be stranded on a desert island with that as my only music than I would with the entire recorded output of Dream Theater. Of course it's not prog - even at the time the musical content was actually quite retro, with only John Lydon's vocals and lyrics having any trace of originality (and he was the one who liked Can, Peter Hammill and Captain Beefheart).
 
I can think of far better candidates for the token one star album to be sl*gged off (Chris De Burgh, James f***ing Blunt and Michael Bolton all spring to mind), but what's the point? There has been enough substandard dross released by prog's big names without us importing the dregs from other genres.
 
And the assumption that prog fans will automatically hate the Sex Pistols is extremely patronising and narrow minded.
 
Aside from that, it's a fine idea.
 
Sir, you rock.  I salute your general correctness.
 
 
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2007 at 19:39
Originally posted by clarke2001 clarke2001 wrote:


I'm proposing addition of the Sex Pistols on the ProgArchives website.

Before someone kills me or jumps into conclusion that these punks recorderd a symphonic conceptual masterpiece never published, let me explain:

They could be included in any category: prog-related, neo-prog, metal, non-prog, various artists, I don't care. But only one album by them, "Never mind the b*ll*cks".

They should be treated as any other band here: band entry, track listing, picture, availability to rate and review, inclusion in top 100(00000)....

Exceptions are:
1) their reviews shouldn't appear on the front page
2) band's entry should be "petrified" by administrators; e.g. no-one should be able to add new albums.

Why they should be here?

By letting the Pistols on PA, every forum member will be able to bash them, rate them with one star, to canalise and focus one's negative energy on one hated point.

They should be here for pure therapeutic   reasons.

Maybe then people will stop saying "I think prog-metal/electronic/post/neo/prog-related/proto/whatever is crap and I hate it, the band ABCXYZ shouldn't be here."

After that, maybe we will became able to discuss and share knowledge about our most beloved musical genre, progressive rock.

I apologise in advance if administrators think that this is not appropriate thread for this section; please, feel free to remove it into "help us improve the site" section if necessary.

However, I'm deadly serious.


postscriptum: it doesn't have to be Pistols necessary. Any widely prog-hated album should do; any of Justin Timberlake's or Celine Dion's albums. Same rules apply. Well, you get my picture.

Peace.
 



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We have influences of prog....  on prog... what better album than this one.

reviews of this album,  written in a compare and contrast style with the musical world of the late 70's in mind.  I've got my eye on you brother.....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2007 at 23:58
For the record.
I love the Sex Pistols. Never Mind the Bollocks is a great, no holds barred, in your fat face rock album. Everything that prog... isn't.
 
Punk rock changed the face of underground and mainstream rock- forever. The Pistols led this charge. (without getting into an Velvet Underground/ Stooges debate). On this basis they can be considered PROGRESSIVE.
 
But that is not the ESTABLISHED definition of "progressive" I know that. Progressive, by its genre, is some ethereal thing that nobody can clearly define.
 
Well, where does that leave me in my statement? Hmm.
I feel progressive rock, with a capital P, is 1969 to 77 (arguable timeline). Progressive, with a small p, is a generalization towards a movements "progress" in any genre.
For the sake of this site and it's intentions, I will have to say NO, to the Sex Pistols.
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2007 at 00:04
Just as a sidenote, isn't it ironic that The Sex Pistols, along with others, precisely helped bring prog down from the top?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2007 at 00:15
The Sex Pistols were just a marketing gimmick like the Jacson Five, the Spice Girls, Britney Spears and the Monkees, all the minimalism and haed rock energy was already established by Hawkwind, Krautrock, the Ramones etc. The Sex Pistols were just a commercial version of that.
They represented nothing ion music that wasn't already established in the music scene. I don't see the Sex Pistols as a legitimate band but rather a threatrical performance, ttheir antics, costumes and behaviour was what made them famous not their music, take away the mindless agression and heavy gain on their guitars and your just left with superficial pop. All the Sex Pistols wanted to do was shock and offend, they ran down just about every rock band before them such as Led Zep and the Beatles, critics took it upon themselves to interpret this as just prog bands.
 I do know for a fact that Johnny Rotton/Lydon likes the following bands; Can, Neu!, Magma, Van der graff generator, Hawkwind, Pink Floyd (yep the I hate Pink Floyd t-shirt was just a fad), Miles Davis-they collaborated together on some unreleased material and some Genesis (this is true). I know that their guiatarist liked Roxy Music, and that Syd Vicious introduced Johnny Rotton/Lydon to Can.
So what we have here is an insincere marketing gimmick with theatrical displays to shock and offend people for no other purpose than to make a name for themselves and offend.
So although I know one person started this thread as a joke, some here also think that the Pistols were innovaters, If you believe that then I'm sure they complement your Madonna and Spice Girl albums, since like them they are marketing gimmicks that represent only extremely superficial meaning.
So in short their album Nevermind the Bollocks, should have been called We're Full of Bollocks.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2007 at 00:19
 I have no doubt that the punk movement "put the boot in" regarding the demise of prog. I think it was inevitable, regardless. The old guards of progressive rock were getting old and slowing down.
I greatly dislike the new-wave, post punk era of the eighties, but could you imagine it with only the dried-up remnants of many of the late sixties/ early 70's proggers calling the shots? We would be crying in pain for the lost days of our hero's past.( eg : Love Beach, Abacab, Final Cut, etc etc).
At least the punks and wavers gave us something to truly HATE.Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2007 at 00:39
[QUOTE=Cheesecakemouse]The Sex Pistols were just a marketing gimmick like the Jacson Five, the Spice Girls, Britney Spears and the Monkees, all the minimalism and haed rock energy was already established by Hawkwind, Krautrock, the Ramones etc. The Sex Pistols were just a commercial version of that.
They represented nothing ion music that wasn't already established in the music scene. I don't see the Sex Pistols as a legitimate band but rather a threatrical performance, ttheir antics, costumes and behaviour was what made them famous not their music, take away the mindless agression and heavy gain on their guitars and your just left with superficial pop. All the Sex Pistols wanted to do was shock and offend, they ran down just about every rock band before them such as Led Zep and the Beatles, critics took it upon themselves to interpret this as just prog bands.
 I do know for a fact that Johnny Rotton/Lydon likes the following bands; Can, Neu!, Magma, Van der graff generator, Hawkwind, Pink Floyd (yep the I hate Pink Floyd t-shirt was just a fad), Miles Davis-they collaborated together on some unreleased material and some Genesis (this is true). I know that their guiatarist liked Roxy Music, and that Syd Vicious introduced Johnny Rotton/Lydon to Can.
So what we have here is an insincere marketing gimmick with theatrical displays to shock and offend people for no other purpose than to make a name for themselves and offend.
So although I know one person started this thread as a joke, some here also think that the Pistols were innovaters, If you believe that then I'm sure they complement your Madonna and Spice Girl albums, since like them they are marketing gimmicks that represent only extremely superficial meaning.
So in short their album Nevermind the Bollocks, should have been called We're Full of Bollocks.
 
 
 
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You are totally correct in your observation. The Pistols were nothing but a gimmick, thanks to Malcolme Maclaren. Unfortunately, to everybodies surprise, it worked.
In the late Seventies, the modern youth were under different pressers and in a completely different mind-set to the earlier "hippies" and thinkers. They were tired of having to think about the music they listened to. They were tired of having to think that everything will be "just fine". In a nut shell, they just wanted to rock. Get pissed and dance about. The Sex Pistols filled this gap, with an unbelievable presence, well beyond any of the players expectations. THIS is what the youth wanted!
 
Johny Rotton says on stage once. " Do you ever feel like you've cheated?" Some people took this as him taking the piss out of the audience. In reality, it was Johny feeling cheated. By Malcolm, the industry, media and the band. I can say more, but that is another story.
 
In the end, The Sex Pistols began as a joke, and ended as a movement for a generation.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2007 at 04:08
The reason I've chosen Sex Pistols to be bashed is not because of my "narrow-mindedness" - although I dislike them and I wouldn't rate them with more than two stars not even on some punk rock web site, I have to say they somehow captured the spirit of rock'n'roll, but that's the best I can say about them. Although I like some of the punk rock names, notably Clash, Dury, Jam and PublicImageL.

I picked them because:
a) the use of the words "sex, pistols" sounds like a blasphemy on this web site if they are mentioned in any context more serious than a rudimentary joke,
b) they are the core, the beginning of a movement often cited as opposition to progressive rock,
c) although some forum members like them, it's not very obvious here. It's much easier to gain impression that they are ridiculed almost all over the site - whether they deserve it or not,
d) opposition to prog? There is no diametrically opposite genre to progressive rock, because prog is able to implement and re-construct anything. Progressive rock needs to be re-evaluated again and again, simply because it's evolving all the time.








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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2007 at 15:37
     
Originally posted by clarke2001 clarke2001 wrote:

The reason I've chosen Sex Pistols to be bashed is not because of my "narrow-mindedness" - although I dislike them and I wouldn't rate them with more than two stars not even on some punk rock web site, I have to say they somehow captured the spirit of rock'n'roll, but that's the best I can say about them. Although I like some of the punk rock names, notably Clash, Dury, Jam and PublicImageL.I picked them because:
a) the use of the words "sex, pistols" sounds like a blasphemy on this web site if they are mentioned in any context more serious than a rudimentary joke,
b) they are the core, the beginning of a movement often cited as opposition to progressive rock,
c) although some forum members like them, it's not very obvious here. It's much easier to gain impression that they are ridiculed almost all over the site - whether they deserve it or not,
d) opposition to prog? There is no diametrically opposite genre to progressive rock, because prog is able to implement and re-construct anything. Progressive rock needs to be re-evaluated again and again, simply because it's evolving all the time.

    
Only to answer your a, b and c points:

a) It IS possible to use those words: for example: "when this guy plays, he's actually having sex with his guitar...he makes it moan incoherently"... or: "I need a pistol, I have to shoot whoever wrote this crap". You see?
b) Read witchwoodhermit chapters 2,3 and Cheesecakemouse chapter 1. Useful insight these authors provide.
c)I know for a fact more than 50 PA members are incredibly-commited Justin Timberlake's fans.
d)Not a bad point.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2007 at 23:46
At least do it with class!




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 27 2007 at 21:58

Hey! I like the Sex Pistols!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 28 2007 at 06:10
And so do I!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 28 2007 at 23:39
And I like eating corned beef, but like the Sex Pistols it doesn't have a place on this website.



  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 02 2007 at 13:27
Originally posted by clarke2001 clarke2001 wrote:


I'm proposing addition of the Sex Pistols on the ProgArchives website.

Before someone kills me or jumps into conclusion that these punks recorderd a symphonic conceptual masterpiece never published, let me explain:

They could be included in any category: prog-related, neo-prog, metal, non-prog, various artists, I don't care. But only one album by them, "Never mind the b*ll*cks".

They should be treated as any other band here: band entry, track listing, picture, availability to rate and review, inclusion in top 100(00000)....

Exceptions are:
1) their reviews shouldn't appear on the front page
2) band's entry should be "petrified" by administrators; e.g. no-one should be able to add new albums.

Why they should be here?

By letting the Pistols on PA, every forum member will be able to bash them, rate them with one star, to canalise and focus one's negative energy on one hated point.

They should be here for pure therapeutic   reasons.

Maybe then people will stop saying "I think prog-metal/electronic/post/neo/prog-related/proto/whatever is crap and I hate it, the band ABCXYZ shouldn't be here."

After that, maybe we will became able to discuss and share knowledge about our most beloved musical genre, progressive rock.

I apologise in advance if administrators think that this is not appropriate thread for this section; please, feel free to remove it into "help us improve the site" section if necessary.

However, I'm deadly serious.


postscriptum: it doesn't have to be Pistols necessary. Any widely prog-hated album should do; any of Justin Timberlake's or Celine Dion's albums. Same rules apply. Well, you get my picture.

Peace.
 





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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 02 2007 at 13:44
You gotta be kiddin' me
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 02 2007 at 13:45
If you listen closely, with headphones, you'll notice prog elements in Rotten's vocals.... if you have some Sid Vicious with you, you can hear where Squire got his inspiration from....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 02 2007 at 14:04
Originally posted by Mascodagama Mascodagama wrote:

Originally posted by Syzygy Syzygy wrote:

Not again [IMG]height=17 alt=Sleepy src="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley12.gif" width=17 align=absMiddle>.
 

Personally I think Never Mind The Bollocks is infinitely better than Abacab, Love Beach and the Big Generator combined, and I'd sooner be stranded on a desert island with that as my only music than I would with the entire recorded output of Dream Theater. Of course it's not prog - even at the time the musical content was actually quite retro, with only John Lydon's vocals and lyrics having any trace of originality (and he was the one who liked Can, Peter Hammill and Captain Beefheart).

 

I can think of far better candidates for the token one star album to be sl*gged off (Chris De Burgh, James f***ing Blunt and Michael Bolton all spring to mind), but what's the point? There has been enough substandard dross released by prog's big names without us importing the dregs from other genres.

 

And the assumption that prog fans will automatically hate the Sex Pistols is extremely patronising and narrow minded.

 

Aside from that, it's a fine idea.

 

Sir, you rock.  I salute your general correctness.

 

 

 


Ditto here.
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