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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2007 at 23:29

Yeah, they're so stupid for trying to stop a terrorist attack...

Honestly, they deserve to get fined for putting something with lights and wires on the struts of a bridge. There is no reason whatsoever for them to put it on a freaking bridge. No-one's going to see it there, and it just makes it look way too suspicious. The police also could not have known if what they found was a decoy for a real bomb.
 
Oh come on riley, there's a difference between expressing yourself and causing half of Boston to be shut down in a terror scare.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 02 2007 at 01:56
Originally posted by Ghandi 2 Ghandi 2 wrote:

Yeah, they're so stupid for trying to stop a terrorist attack...

Honestly, they deserve to get fined for putting something with lights and wires on the struts of a bridge. There is no reason whatsoever for them to put it on a freaking bridge. No-one's going to see it there, and it just makes it look way too suspicious. The police also could not have known if what they found was a decoy for a real bomb.
 
Oh come on riley, there's a difference between expressing yourself and causing half of Boston to be shut down in a terror scare.


The idea of this is that it's a case of the government never admitting a mistake, ever. Always pass blame onto someone else, never check into your own actions. 9 other American Cities had no problems whatsoever, it was only Boston that made a fuss about it.

It wasn't a "bomb hoax" as it is put by the media, incorrectly. It was an advertising campaign. There was absolutely no intent for it to be a bomb hoax, that's pretty clear considering the fact that theres a tv show which has the characters in it.

It's a state of fear, rather than reason as a course of action. Really, when's the last time you heard Boston police or Boston govt admitting a mistake? Give me some documents. They don't do it, they never have, and it's unlikely they will.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 02 2007 at 03:58
Making generalised comments in a forum about the police being stupid is in my opinion like putting your tongue out behind your parents back.
 
The police the world over are our civil defence from those who would do us harm. We all get things wrong sometimes, but would you really prefer that they were not there at all?
 
The police deserve a lot more respect than they get. (I am not involved in the police by the way!)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 02 2007 at 05:27
Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:

The police the world over are our civil defence from those who would do us harm.


Not always, no. They're often rash, aggressive and sometimes outright criminal. Sorry to be pedantic.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 02 2007 at 07:46
Originally posted by Forgotten Son Forgotten Son wrote:

Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:

The police the world over are our civil defence from those who would do us harm.
Not always, no. They're often rash, aggressive and sometimes outright criminal. Sorry to be pedantic.


"often"? I think not.

"pedantic"? Hardly.

Naive generalisations? Definitely.

OK, the police force in any country you care to name will have its fair share of those who abuse the authority given to them - we here in the west are considerably luckier than many countries in the so called developing world in that we do not have to actively fear those in uniform.

They're not perfect, by any means, but they're all that stand between you and the criminal.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 02 2007 at 10:14
With my admin hat on, please also bear in mind that some of our members will be in the police. They are entitled to the same respect as the rest of our members in these parts.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 02 2007 at 10:42
Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

I don't think they are idiots at all.They saw something irregular and suspicious and investigated it.
 
Do you expect the majority of the Boston PD to even know what the heck ATHF is?
 
I think that they should actually teach policemen that the use of their brains is not an option in their line of work. It is mandatory.  What on earth made them think this would be bombsConfused
 
Use of excessive force comes also to mind.
 
 
 
 
Originally posted by Empathy Empathy wrote:

^ EL, I'll agree with you that when the first Lite Brite (I'm sorry I mean "Hoax Device"... that's how they keep referring to it on the news here) was reported, they absolutely did the right thing to investigate. However, a simple inspection of the sign should have indicated that it was not an explosive. The ensuing hysteria is simply inexcusable, IMO.

  2 important points:

1) These signs had been up for 2 to 3 weeks before this all occurred yesterday.

2) 9 other cities in which these signs were placed did not respond this way.

Also, I'm not sure if anyone is aware of this, but the gentleman who's primarily responsible for this was running Ozric Tentacles lighting rig on their last tour!


 
OK and up to the facts findings, I can agree with the police's actions, as they did not know.
 
but pressing charges for creating a bombscare is downright indecent from the police. They should immediately offer a public apology to make themselves look like dumbarses and causing the general public to distrust the civil servants.  Because this is in fine the only thing that will be remembered, the police looked stupid and refused to see the point and the denial of it can only cause distrust in the citizens. The persons who decided to go to court should be fired for gross misconduct and indecent misuse of brains and complete lack of humour.
 
Although I have absolutely no sympathy for the incriminated duo, no doubt they will win big and hopefully get astronomical damages indemnisations.  


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 02 2007 at 12:22
Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:

With my admin hat on, please also bear in mind that some of our members will be in the police. They are entitled to the same respect as the rest of our members in these parts.


I know of at least one senior police officer in our ranks who has had to face the seriously dangerous side of his job in the past.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 02 2007 at 12:52
Please note that this is not intended to be a flame war on police.

It is merely a thread about the incident, and also about how I strongly believe that the Boston police messed up on this one, yet refuses to admit failure.

It's become a sort of culture in America, to never admit failure on your own part and always pass the blame on to someone else.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 02 2007 at 13:12
Personally I don't think the thread heading really reflects that OG.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 02 2007 at 13:14
I live on Long Island (which is very close to New York City for those who don't know), and I'm often in NYC (I lived there for a couple of years recently).
After 9/11, I'm paranoid. Probably overly paranoid, I'll admit, but NYC is the biggest bullseye for terrorism in this country, it seems, with the possible exception of the capital.

My point is this: in defense of the Boston police, if I had seen electronic devices with lights, wires, and a character holding up its middle finger, in an important city, even on a bridge in at least one case ... I would have *definitely* been alarmed.

Of course, part of me would have said "it's probably nothing", but these days it really is better to be safe than sorry, generally. If they actually had been explosive devices, for example, we'd all be talking about the Boston police in a MUCH different light. And that scenario is hardly far-fetched in modern times.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 02 2007 at 14:35
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So then where do we draw the line between not doing anything and having the govt react to everything?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 02 2007 at 15:18
Originally posted by OpethGuitarist OpethGuitarist wrote:



It is merely a thread about the incident, and also about how I strongly believe that the Boston police messed up on this one, yet refuses to admit failure.



Perhaps next we'll see the entire BFD check into "rehab", ala Mel Gibson and Michael Richards? Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 02 2007 at 15:49
Originally posted by zappaholic zappaholic wrote:

This is just further proof that the terrorists have won.


It's true.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 03 2007 at 09:08
Originally posted by enteredwinter enteredwinter wrote:


My point is this: in defense of the Boston police, if I had seen electronic devices with lights, wires, and a character holding up its middle finger, in an important city, even on a bridge in at least one case ... I would have *definitely* been alarmed.

Of course, part of me would have said "it's probably nothing", but these days it really is better to be safe than sorry, generally. If they actually had been explosive devices, for example, we'd all be talking about the Boston police in a MUCH different light. And that scenario is hardly far-fetched in modern times.
 
Dontcha think that if they were real bombs posed by potential terrorists, they'd have stashed those in a little more discreet packaging? These things giving "the finger" (to me it looks like it's hailing a cab , because it is a index and not the middle finger showingWink) is not exactly passe-partout.
 
And as I said, the investigation part is not the problem, but the fact that they are bringing this thing to court is not only ridiculous, but also scandalous.
 
Some people better lighten up. In Europe, this would be drawing laughter all over.
 
But then again we (as a society) are less uptight to get bombed over because our foreign policies area little less encumbersome.
 
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 03 2007 at 12:21
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

 
Some people better lighten up. In Europe, this would be drawing laughter all over.
 
But then again we (as a society) are less uptight to get bombed over because our foreign policies area little less encumbersome.
 
 


LOL Now that's a cleverly delicate way of putting it!

Every other city in the U.S. is surely laughing at Boston.

Just to add a little more background to the situation... I'm sure part of the reason for the (over)reaction on the part of the Boston PD and the FBI was the fact that 2 of the planes that were part of 9/11 left from Boston's airport.

I'm not originally from Boston, but I've lived here for over 15 years now... and I can say that I've never encountered a more uptight or self-important city. Let me put it this way... the author Oliver Wendell Holmes once wrote something to the effect of "Boston is the Hub of the Universe"...  and the local news here STILL commonly refers to Boston as "The Hub".

This is why the Boston government will NEVER admit any kind of error in this fiasco.

I think the most important conclusion we can draw from this whole experience is that there's no problem with the fact that we're bombarded every waking moment of our lives with marketing and advertising...

but only through offically approved channels!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 03 2007 at 15:50
The guys who were arrested were hilarious! When they were interviewed, they refused to talk about the incident and instead only accepted questions dealing with the evolution of hairstyles. The idiotic media didn't know how to react!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 04 2007 at 00:49
Originally posted by 1800iareyay 1800iareyay wrote:

The guys who were arrested were hilarious! When they were interviewed, they refused to talk about the incident and instead only accepted questions dealing with the evolution of hairstyles. The idiotic media didn't know how to react!
Yeah, they're so stupid for not knowing how to react to random stupidity!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 04 2007 at 04:30
Originally posted by OpethGuitarist OpethGuitarist wrote:

It's become a sort of culture in America, to never admit failure on your own part and always pass the blame on to someone else.
 
Not just in America.  The UK Labour party seem to have gone well up this road in the last few years.Confused


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 04 2007 at 06:12
Originally posted by Empathy Empathy wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

 
Some people better lighten up. In Europe, this would be drawing laughter all over.
 
But then again we (as a society) are less uptight to get bombed over because our foreign policies area little less encumbersome.
 
 


LOL Now that's a cleverly delicate way of putting it!

Every other city in the U.S. is surely laughing at Boston.

Just to add a little more background to the situation... I'm sure part of the reason for the (over)reaction on the part of the Boston PD and the FBI was the fact that 2 of the planes that were part of 9/11 left from Boston's airport.

I'm not originally from Boston, but I've lived here for over 15 years now... and I can say that I've never encountered a more uptight or self-important city. Let me put it this way... the author Oliver Wendell Holmes once wrote something to the effect of "Boston is the Hub of the Universe"...  and the local news here STILL commonly refers to Boston as "The Hub".

This is why the Boston government will NEVER admit any kind of error in this fiasco.

I think the most important conclusion we can draw from this whole experience is that there's no problem with the fact that we're bombarded every waking moment of our lives with marketing and advertising...

but only through offically approved channels!

Wink


 
That could be a good reason for this development. LOL
 
 
While New England is vmy fave part of the US, I always did find Bostoners a bit snobbish and pretentious. I s'pose it comes from the Mayflower and later the Boston Tea Party, thinking that they are the historical center of America.
 
I never even knew that two of those four planes ook off from Boston, though
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