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Posted: February 02 2007 at 14:50

Tony R wrote:

*sigh*

That's not it at all.

Just indulge me please.

Self-indulgence is bad.....

On the other side, third-party indulgence could be healthy...

Then that we'll do.

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Posted: February 02 2007 at 14:39

*sigh*

That's not it at all.

Just indulge me please.

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Posted: February 02 2007 at 14:31

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Ok, are you going to stop messing up my thread now??

I echo the sentiment in The T's signature......but just stop saying it here and now, please

I don't understand this but it sounds OK. But please take into account that the discussion started when someone gave his opinion about one of the albums in the top-10 poll, so he was within topic subject. If it got off-topic is because people felt offended where no offense was done.... But it seems saying something negative about the allmighty album IS an offense.

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Posted: February 02 2007 at 14:25

Ok, are you going to stop messing up my thread now??

I echo the sentiment in The T's signature......but just stop saying it here and now, please

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Posted: February 02 2007 at 14:19

dalt99 wrote:

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Kayo Dot is just noise. It has no melody.

your opinion's going to change the world, sweetie

Probably not but I have the freedom to express it as do you.

PS - Do you really think Kayo Dot is better and more revolutionary than Eskaton's "4 Visions"? That is an album with a different sound (especially for the time) yet with well written music.

Oh, it's not only me the advocate for freedom of expression of one's musical tastes!!! My God...

...And to think it's always with the same album that the discussion arises....

Wouldn't it be easier just to accept that some of us don't like the "masterpiece"? That would be so much easier that these incredibly long threads where the only thing that happens is that the individuals who happened to dislike the allmighty album and, worst of all, voice their opinions, get bashed.

What "masterpiece"?

Well, the "masterpiece" between " ".... that means I really don't think it is. And of course I'm talking about Kayo.... I wrote a review which earned me first place in hate messages ever... and I'm not e reviewer so go figure.... people that never post and never discuss in the forum came lurking from the shadows to bash me. Only because I didn't like the almighty album. So I'm agreeing with you, don't think I'm quoting you to reply but because I AGREE.

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Posted: February 02 2007 at 13:54

Hi Dalt, how are you today?

Ok let me comment on what you say about the inclination of collabs to RIO/Avant.

I see it differentely.

This has to do with my criticism of the poll that was made.

There are varying degrees of exposure to music for each collab. Obviuosly not everyone has heard everything and each collab heard different things during this year. This caused an uneven pool of albums, meaning it's not that we all heard all hte albums and chosed the best among them, it's that everyone chose the best out of those they heard.

That is why it was personally important to me to try and expose as much as possible the new Deluge Grander and SI partie I and several others liek Zaar and Hamster Theatre.

So it appears that many heard the new KD and liked it. But sadly not many heard Zaar, Nebelnest, Estradasphere, October Equus etc and I am not sure that if they did they would have voted for it.

I think there is no real general inclination of the collabs to RIO (and you can see that in the RIO thread of Trouserpress, not many of us post there, and it's become a niche). But they do appreciate it enough apparentely yo vote for an out of the ordionary album (and I won't get into what genre it is, cause to pinpoint it is wrong for me to do).

If there weas a real Avant inclination then the collabs would not have stopped with KD but have continued in their search for more Avant and would have voted for Zaar and Yugen et al. which have released very good albums this year (althuogh Joren disagrees about Zaar).

I actually feel that Avant/RIO is not popular among collabs and I see this in the collab zone, where the Symphonic threads usually attract "fire" and when I posted several threads about rio/avant additions there was not much interest.

And this could be said for other genres as well.

We can go from person to person and see their preferences but I think there is a nice but not even distribution between the various differences. And I feel that most do not like Avant so much as I understand you see it.

I think the major tendency is Symph, Fusion, Art-rock (if this can be called a genre) and the more "mainstream" prog.

That's how I feel it to be.

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Posted: February 02 2007 at 09:29

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Thank you Equality 7-2521 for your reply. I did look at your reviews and did notice that you do enjoy many bands from the beginning years of prog rock. I merely observe that it could be easier for someone your age to "get into" a band such as Kayo Dot than someone of my age that grew up in the early-late 80's. For instance I probably appreciate bands such as Motley Crue, Asia and AC/DC more than people your age probably do. Even bands like Dream Theater may be too late 80's metal sounding for some people your age.

Anyway, age difference or not I am not saying that's the main issue. My main point is this:

The #1 pick of 2006 out of the collabs was Kayo Dot's new CD over PFM, Hackett, Tangent, Tool, Mars Volta, etc. even though it's the 40TH PICK in the Top 100 list on this site.

That to me shows that the collabs do not agree with the majority when it comes to the #1 pick only. I just found that odd and a bit surprising. Is Kayo Dot deserving of #1? That's again, purely opinion based. The fact is though that it's NOT the popular sentiment. I guess I am a bit disappointed in the collabs for their focus lately on Post-Rock and RIO and feel that this site is becoming a bit unbalanced. i hope for more discussion of great modern prog bands such as Retroheads, Brighteye Brison, Zenit, Deluge Grander, Frogg Cafe, Little Atlas, Willowglass, October Equus, Trespass, Nemo, Notabene, Nexus, La Tulipe Noire, Black Bonzo, etc. These bands deserve our support just as much as the Kayo Dots of the world.

As far as Hybris goes, again it's opinion whether it's better than or worse than Kayo Dot. I will only again bring up the fact that on this site of fellow proggers, it is ranked #1 by FAR for 1992 with a 4.48 average out of 168 votes and sits at #20 of ALL TIME on this site. Again you are in the minority. Not saying the majority is always right. I am in the majority of course on this one and I believe Hybris to be one of the best prog albums of the last 20 years. I think some people (not directing at you specifically) are unaware of how difficult it is to create an album such as Hybris. Yes it is similar to the 70's bands but is every bit as brilliant compositionally as 99% of the albums of the 70's while of course not being as groundbreaking. Someone who dismisses Hybris ONLY due to it's "stagnation" of sound is being naive in my opinion.

It is popular sentiment amoung the collabs. I believe Joey mentioned the exact reason this is. Kayo Dot because of its Avant-Garde structure is going to be very much hit or miss, whereas Symphonic Prog such as PFM and Hackett tends to be a bit more agreeable on a fundamental level. This disparity accounts for the score difference. Also if you look, DAWCT has twice as many ratings as does PFM's latest. I'm sure that album's rating will drop. I have a 3, possibly 2 star, review waiting to be written for it personally.

EDIT: It was The Sleeper who mentioned the hit or miss aspect of Kayo Dot, not Joey.

Wanna make a bet?

It might come down but I doubt as far as where Kayo Dot will be.

Have you heard or do you own any IQ?

I'll put a wager that the rating drops to at least a 4.25. Still above Kayo Dot, but I've already explained an alternative reason for this discrepency.

I've heard some IQ but I don't have any. Perhaps naively I fail to see what trap I'm walking into by answering that question.

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Posted: February 02 2007 at 04:52

dalt99 wrote:

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Yeah, I mean, it's a VOTE-- the results are counted and we get a list of winners. Heck, my number one album for 2006 was Don Caballero's 'World Class Listening Problem', which as a collab, I nominated. I don't think it even made it onto the final list, but that didn't surprise or bother me and I'd still nominate them today.

Thanks for proving my point. Don Caballero is none other than Post-Rock.

I don't f**king care what they "are", they were my pick, of the albums I own, for best of 2006. Yeah I like post rock..... and fusion, electronic, symph, prog folk, metal. I think you're just pissed off. Deal with it.

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Posted: February 02 2007 at 02:34

Equality 7-2521 wrote:

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Anyway, age difference or not I am not saying that's the main issue. My main point is this:

The #1 pick of 2006 out of the collabs was Kayo Dot's new CD over PFM, Hackett, Tangent, Tool, Mars Volta, etc. even though it's the 40TH PICK in the Top 100 list on this site.

Wanna make a bet?

It might come down but I doubt as far as where Kayo Dot will be.

Have you heard or do you own any IQ?

Best of 2006 that I've heard:
PFM-Stati Di Immaginazione
Zenit-Surrender (Best "unknown" album)
Oaksenham - Conquest of Pacific
2007:
Phideaux - Doomsday Afternoon
La Torre Del Alchimista - Neo

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Posted: February 02 2007 at 02:16

The T wrote:

dalt99 wrote:

laplace wrote:

dalt99 wrote:

Kayo Dot is just noise. It has no melody.

your opinion's going to change the world, sweetie

Probably not but I have the freedom to express it as do you.

PS - Do you really think Kayo Dot is better and more revolutionary than Eskaton's "4 Visions"? That is an album with a different sound (especially for the time) yet with well written music.

Oh, it's not only me the advocate for freedom of expression of one's musical tastes!!! My God...

...And to think it's always with the same album that the discussion arises....

What "masterpiece"?

Best of 2006 that I've heard:
PFM-Stati Di Immaginazione
Zenit-Surrender (Best "unknown" album)
Oaksenham - Conquest of Pacific
2007:
Phideaux - Doomsday Afternoon
La Torre Del Alchimista - Neo

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Posted: February 02 2007 at 02:13

Thanks for proving my point. Don Caballero is none other than Post-Rock.

Best of 2006 that I've heard:
PFM-Stati Di Immaginazione
Zenit-Surrender (Best "unknown" album)
Oaksenham - Conquest of Pacific
2007:
Phideaux - Doomsday Afternoon
La Torre Del Alchimista - Neo

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Posted: February 02 2007 at 02:10

Tony R wrote:

Will you two please stop hitting each other with your handbags now?

Who gives a damn, the vote isnt going to change.

Next year it will be bigga and betta!!!

LOL!

Tony, I don't want you or anyone to change the results. I don't agree at all with the #1 and I have explained why I think it got there. That's all.

Best of 2006 that I've heard:
PFM-Stati Di Immaginazione
Zenit-Surrender (Best "unknown" album)
Oaksenham - Conquest of Pacific
2007:
Phideaux - Doomsday Afternoon
La Torre Del Alchimista - Neo

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Posted: February 02 2007 at 02:05

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Thanks for making broad generalizations about the music I like.

I'll remember to do that about your character next time.

EDIT: Sorry for being a prick in this post.

Sorry if I offended you. I meant no offense.

I am sad that in this world when two people disagree we must automatically feel offended and lash out with frustration. Can't people who disagree have calm, heartfelt, in depth discussions/arguments anymore without feeling that the other is attacking them personally. Look, if you think Kayo Dot is the best band of ALL TIME, I am not offended. If you think Anglagard or PFM are the worst bands of all time, I am also not offended. Opinions themselves don't offend me or upset me.

My point is still not being understood I guess. I think that it is OBVIOUS that among the collabs on this site there is a slightly unbalanced preference for RIO and Avant Garde. I am not saying that the music is rubbish or crap or any of that. It's my OPINION that a WORLD WIDE WEBSITE like this one should be more balanced among the admins as to keep the site a welcome place for ALL prog fans of ANY genre. I am personally a BIG fan of symphonic prog, neo-prog, art rock, jazz fusion and hard rock. I do however, like many RIO/avant bands such as Samla Mammas Manna, Absolute Zero, Birdsongs of the Mesozoic, Far Corner, SGM, Discus and others. I also like some Post-Rock like Explosions in the Sky, Mogwai and Ulver.

I realize that MANY of the collabs also enjoy a wide variety of genres of progressive music. I know that to be a fact. Still, the fact remains that for Kayo Dot to be #1 of 2006, there HAS to be more fans of post-rock than is the NORM among general prog lovers. The results of the Top 100 on this site prove as such with Kayo Dot being #40 and PFM, Hackett, Mars Volta and Tool all being in the top 10. Anglagard is #20 all-time and Kayo Dot is not even in the top 500.

If you look at the topics on the forums, a large percentage of them are on RIO, Post-Rock, Avant/Jazz and Prog Metal. This is, I believe, because the collabs WHO POST (I realize there are probably many admins who don't post much on the forums) are usually the most active people on the boards therefore the topics will reflect their interests. Topics regarding new symph bands or neo-prog bands or albums except for only the most popular (Flower Kings, Spock's Beard, IQ) usually get very little response. That has been my experience anyway. In my OPINION this is not healthy for a progressive rock site. That's my OPINION. If you disagree you are not upsetting me. When I got into RIO, I had tons of people to talk to here about it and received many responses. When I wanted to talk about new symph like Wobbler, Willowglass or Frogg Cafe, very few responded except for a select few. To me that's sad on a progressive rock fan site. That's my OPINION anyway.

I know three huge fans of progressive rock that used to post here all the time that do not anymore because they would receive few responses. I am talking about topics posted regarding modern symphonic prog/neo and art rock music which happen to be the largest genres besides prog-metal.

Now don't take what I have said to mean that I think we should all be talking about symph prog and ignoring post-rock or RIO. I want ALL forms of prog to flourish and be popular. I would love to see this site full of fans discussing every new and old band in all genres. At this time, for the most part, it seems a bit skewed and the fact that Kayo Dot is #1 for 2006 seems to me to confirm my thoughts.

I find it funny that no collab has come to defend me or agree that they believe that Kayo Dot being #1 seems a bit unusual considering the competition it had. Which doesn't disprove my thoughts that a large percent of the collabs (who post anyway) prefer post-rock/RIO over modern symphonic, neo or art rock.

Best of 2006 that I've heard:
PFM-Stati Di Immaginazione
Zenit-Surrender (Best "unknown" album)
Oaksenham - Conquest of Pacific
2007:
Phideaux - Doomsday Afternoon
La Torre Del Alchimista - Neo

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Posted: February 02 2007 at 00:37

Tony R wrote:

Will you two please stop hitting each other with your handbags now?

Who gives a damn, the vote isnt going to change.

Next year it will be bigga and betta!!!

To that Tony I give the ever responsible excuse:

He started it!!

"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "

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Posted: February 02 2007 at 00:36

dalt99 wrote:

Anyway, age difference or not I am not saying that's the main issue. My main point is this:

The #1 pick of 2006 out of the collabs was Kayo Dot's new CD over PFM, Hackett, Tangent, Tool, Mars Volta, etc. even though it's the 40TH PICK in the Top 100 list on this site.

It is popular sentiment amoung the collabs. I believe Joey mentioned the exact reason this is. Kayo Dot because of its Avant-Garde structure is going to be very much hit or miss, whereas Symphonic Prog such as PFM and Hackett tends to be a bit more agreeable on a fundamental level. This disparity accounts for the score difference. Also if you look, DAWCT has twice as many ratings as does PFM's latest. I'm sure that album's rating will drop. I have a 3, possibly 2 star, review waiting to be written for it personally.

EDIT: It was The Sleeper who mentioned the hit or miss aspect of Kayo Dot, not Joey.

Edited by Equality 7-2521 - February 02 2007 at 00:38

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Posted: February 01 2007 at 23:26

dalt99 wrote:

laplace wrote:

dalt99 wrote:

Kayo Dot is just noise. It has no melody.

your opinion's going to change the world, sweetie

Probably not but I have the freedom to express it as do you.

PS - Do you really think Kayo Dot is better and more revolutionary than Eskaton's "4 Visions"? That is an album with a different sound (especially for the time) yet with well written music.

Oh, it's not only me the advocate for freedom of expression of one's musical tastes!!! My God...

...And to think it's always with the same album that the discussion arises....

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Posted: February 01 2007 at 23:22

I won't talk.... But I agree with everything.

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Posted: February 01 2007 at 20:44

Yeah, would have been nice to see some Belew on there.

So far, I've heard 1 of those albums...

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Posted: February 01 2007 at 20:00

Yeah, I mean, it's a VOTE-- the results are counted and we get a list of winners. Heck, my number one album for 2006 was Don Caballero's 'World Class Listening Problem', which as a collab, I nominated. I don't think it even made it onto the final list, but that didn't surprise or bother me and I'd still nominate them today.

Edited by Atavachron - February 01 2007 at 21:55

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Posted: February 01 2007 at 19:48

Will you two please stop hitting each other with your handbags now?

Who gives a damn, the vote isnt going to change.

Next year it will be bigga and betta!!!