muse vs. dredg... I think both are misplaced.

I just want to ask what do you think about where each one of these bands is located here in PA. I just heard one album of each band (Black Holes for Muse, Catch without arm for Dredg) . Maybe that's not enough to give an informed opinion, but anyway, I was checking some reviews for Muse and they said this album was the less prog by them, though I found it very prog, so I guess the rest (I just bought Absolution) will be even proggier. Now, I've read this album by Dredg is prog, but for me it truly wasn't What's your opinion about this: I think Muse could perfectly well fit in the Art Rock category, it has a lot of prog elements (and even though that album is supposed to be their least prog), but I also think Dredg is not prog, or at least should only be included in Prog-related. But like it is is the exact opposite. What do you think? Or are other albums by Dredg so much proggier? I may be so wrong, so please correct me if that's so.

I agree with how it is now. Catch Without Arms is definately Dredg's least progressive and is only borderline art rock. Muse, although one of my favorite bands seems to me to fit perfectly in the prog-related category. Their music has a progressive tinge to it, but is appartenly most dictated by British Rock from the mid/late 90s...and Queen

I think Muse should stay where they are in Prog-Related.

About Dredg, though, I'd agree with you based on what I've heard (El Cielo and Catch Without Arms). I'm not sure there's enough to justify their inclusion in Art Rock. They'd probably fit better as prog-related. This is particularly true if they continue in the less-proggy direction of Catch Without Arms in future albums.

pretty much similar with the Gabriel stirr you've made, Mr. T, you've heard an album that speaks you a different language. only that this time you want something out of Art Rock into related.

Dredg aren't impeccable at pure art rock feeling, that's why they must be in for a totally different reason. And that reason a very interesting find of prog and dominant rock in the alternative, heavy and core material you least expect.

I for one support Dredg in AR, not heard Muse.

yay another one...  Check here: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=32189&KW=dredg

The T wrote: Or are other albums by Dredg so much proggier? I may be so wrong, so please correct me if that's so.

Yes they are, CwA is their worst and least prog album.

I don't know about Muse though.


Edited by The Miracle - February 01 2007 at 16:32

MikeEnRegalia wrote: "Art Rock" ... the label is kind of misleading in the archives. It is not used as a genre, but as an alias for "Miscellaneous Prog", and Dredg really fit in that context. As a genre they don't fit - King Crimson is the key band, and Dredg don't sound anything like them. But neither do Rush, so I guess it's ok.

That is the main problem. We of the team (especially Micky and I) have tried multiple times to effect a name change in order to make things clearer for site users - but to no avail, or so it seems.

BTW, you might remember that I had suggested the definition "Eclectic Prog" instead of Art Rock - however, for reasons that I still don't understand, people seemed to dislike it.

Yeah Ive been saying the same for Phish. Maybe it's because I thought they really revived progressive ideals in the early 90s with their off the wall jazz/fusion/funk/rock/weirdness. I don't think Muse or Dredg are nearly as prog as phish used to be in the early days of their prime and they're still in prog related. Ehhh whatever. It doesn't affect my life that much.

dredg is absolutely prog, and Muse is some kind of wanna be Art Rock, for me they sound to pretencious, they are OK where they are.

yeah right put some keyboards in there and bing! its prog!