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Posted: January 29 2007 at 08:49

Just to make your mouth water...

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Posted: January 29 2007 at 11:28

Olivier you're a wind-up!

i must write 50 times-

i am not a gear freak

i am not a gear freak ................

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Posted: January 29 2007 at 14:56

Yes, you are!

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Posted: January 29 2007 at 15:40

I guess I would go for any device that can be powered by solar cells ... Big%20smile

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Posted: January 29 2007 at 16:01

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Yes, you are!

....i don't do cassettes anymore!

show me some TOOOBS!!

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Posted: January 29 2007 at 17:30

MikeEnRegalia wrote:

I guess I would go for any device that can be powered by solar cells ... Big%20smile

That's certainly the most sensible comment in this thread thus far

When people get lost in thought it's often because it's unfamiliar territory.

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Posted: January 29 2007 at 17:31

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MikeEnRegalia wrote:

I guess I would go for any device that can be powered by solar cells ... Big%20smile

That's certainly the most sensible comment in this thread thus far

But would they be audiophile cells?

When people get lost in thought it's often because it's unfamiliar territory.

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Posted: January 29 2007 at 21:04

Heavyfreight wrote:

MikeEnRegalia wrote:

I guess I would go for any device that can be powered by solar cells ... Big%20smile

That's certainly the most sensible comment in this thread thus far

But would they be audiophile cells?

Surely solar cells would vary too much in voltage for an audiophile. They could only listen as long as their batteries lasted.

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Posted: January 30 2007 at 04:12

Battery should provide a purer power and not subject to variations.

Just for the eye's pleasure

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Posted: January 30 2007 at 04:17

And here's the Goldmund Mimesis IV, a very rare tuner (there are only several ones)which costed 10 000€ new.

One of the most performant sources ever.

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Posted: January 31 2007 at 04:01

Ah, Studer A710 cassette machines. I worked on them when I was at the BBC. Not a bad machine but I always preferred the sound of my Aiwa deck.

Tuners are an interesting audiophile concept. With a tuner you can only listen to what your radio station produces and they definitely do not use audiophile equipment. Add to that the fact that the standardised FM transmission only has a bandwidth of 15KHz and uses a mono + stereo and mono - stereo derivation of left and right using a limited stereo signal modulated around a 38KHz carrier and the sound quality will never be great.

I remember an audiophile friend preaching about this great tuner that he had for listening to Radio 3 (BBC Classical music channel) with gold connectors and everything else and raving about that pure analogue sound. He was most put out when I explained to him that Radio three travelled through nearly THREE MILES of twisted pair bell wire inside Broadcasting House and then went to the transmitter via a 13BIT linear digital link. All goes to prove that it's all subjective. He had spent the money and was convinced that his kit was best so, to him, it sounded the best.

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Posted: January 31 2007 at 04:09

"only has a bandwidth of 15KHz"

An analog device which does 15KHz well works better than a digital which does 20khz bad and adds supersonic noise.
A good tuner explodes any CD player in term of musicality and performance. The tuner i show up is one of the world best sources.

"With a tuner you can only listen to what your radio station produces and they definitely do not use audiophile equipment."

Depends on the radio station. Here in parisian area, we have TSF (jazz radio) which sounds excellent, they play vinyl sometimes, but the Cds are excellent.

Moreover, the DIRECT concert IS THE BEST MUSICAL EXPERIENCE in term of performance and precense, cause there's no recording process. Nothing can't beat it.

The radio is excellent cause there's an analog process.
It's like hertzian TV which is far superior in term of picture and sound than the same channel through the satellite.

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Posted: January 31 2007 at 04:23

oliverstoned wrote:

"only has a bandwidth of 15KHz"

An analog device which does 15KHz well works better than a digital which does 20khz bad and adds supersonic noise.
A good tuner explodes any CD player in term of musicality and performance. The tuner i show up is one of the world best sources.

"With a tuner you can only listen to what your radio station produces and they definitely do not use audiophile equipment."

Depends on the radio station. Here in parisian area, we have TSF (jazz radio) which sounds excellent, they play vinyl sometimes, but the Cds are excellent.

Moreover, the DIRECT concert IS THE BEST MUSICAL EXPERIENCE in term of performance and precense, cause there's no recording process. Nothing can't beat it.

The radio is excellent cause there's an analog process.
It's like hertzian TV which is far superior in term of picture and sound than the same channel through the satellite.

Oliver, I work in radio and can tell you that practically EVERY radio station now links to transmitter via compressed (APT-X or MPeg2) digital link and then most use a digital sound processor at the transmitter (like the Optimod 8400). This includes French stations who, in my experience, use far more digital processing on air than in any other country.

The sound quality of FM transmission, regardless of whether it's CD, Vinyl or live is audibly worse than a direct connection. The difference is far more noticable than say MP3 over CD and anyone will immediately notice the difference in a back to back test between FM and a direct connection.

That said the FM system is, like MP3, quite acceptable to most people and has a rightful place. I agree with you that it allows us to hear "live" performances without any editing and that has to be good.

By the way, video signals by their very nature lend themselves perfectly to digitisation. Even analogue televisions use a digitised delivery (TV screens are pixleated, therefore "digital"). A linear digital delivery of video is unbeatable by even the best analogue TV system because of the inherent noise in transmission. The reason that current analogue systems still often look better is that the TV companies compress the digital signals to the point of distortion to fit more channels onto the multiplex. Therefore rapidly changing pictures (like panning across a football game) lead to picture break up.

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Posted: January 31 2007 at 04:37

I agree with you that most stations heavily use compressions which give an over-bumped sound (especially the "youth" ones broadcasting rap and these kind of crap), but the good stations like the classic music ones don't do it (or not too much) and the result is far beyond any Cd player in term of performance, musicality and precense.

The radio transmission "analogizes" the sound and i maintain what i said about hertzian TV Vs satellite. No comparison, both at a sound and picture level, even if hertzian TV is numerized also, i agree.
The result is what it is!

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Posted: February 02 2007 at 06:51

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Ah, Studer A710 cassette machines. I worked on them when I was at the BBC. Not a bad machine but I always preferred the sound of my Aiwa deck.

I remember an audiophile friend preaching about this great tuner that he had for listening to Radio 3 (BBC Classical music channel) with gold connectors and everything else and raving about that pure analogue sound. He was most put out when I explained to him that Radio three travelled through nearly THREE MILES of twisted pair bell wire inside Broadcasting House and then went to the transmitter via a 13BIT linear digital link. All goes to prove that it's all subjective. He had spent the money and was convinced that his kit was best so, to him, it sounded the best.

...so where does our licence fee money go then..?!!