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Chus
Prog Reviewer Joined: October 16 2006 Location: Venezuela Status: Offline Points: 1991 |
Posted: January 26 2007 at 14:37 | |
I find italian harder to read But thanks, I'll be sure to look it up Edited by Chus - January 26 2007 at 14:38 |
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andu
Forum Senior Member Joined: September 27 2006 Location: Romania Status: Offline Points: 3089 |
Posted: January 26 2007 at 14:54 | |
Thanks for the info, Alucard! I recommend the Live album, and I'll buy myself my own copy if I find one (a friend sent me the songs for me to listen but no info, just the warm recommendation). Somehow I didn't manage to find anything via google because "El Grupo" simply means "The Band" in Spanish and the search results were highly irrelevant. Great name, by the way!
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BaldFriede
Prog Reviewer Joined: June 02 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 10261 |
Posted: January 26 2007 at 15:02 | |
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BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
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BaldJean
Prog Reviewer Joined: May 28 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 10387 |
Posted: January 26 2007 at 17:09 | |
I would like to add one of today's best big bands: the WDR big band (WDR is a radio a and tv station with 5 radio channels, one tv channel and participation in a 2nd tv channel), here a link to their homepage:
http://www.wdr.de/radio/orchester/big_band/eng/index.phtml |
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A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
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Dick Heath
Special Collaborator Jazz-Rock Specialist Joined: April 19 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 12812 |
Posted: January 26 2007 at 20:33 | |
A bit of a mess of a list isn't it? Would be far from happy to see this level of inaccuracy in PA for any artist's discography Dates wrong, titles wrong ( 7th Galaxy!!!!), track titles mixed up with album titles - & Wizzard???? |
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dwill123
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Posted: January 28 2007 at 00:25 | |
I haven't noticed much discussion about the British jazz\rock group IF. I found them while in college in the mid 70s and fell in love with them. Sort of an edgier cross between Blood, Sweat & Tears and Chicago. I have four of their albums (I know they have more):
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Dick Heath
Special Collaborator Jazz-Rock Specialist Joined: April 19 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 12812 |
Posted: January 28 2007 at 07:54 | |
Grand band and my favorite brass rock group tending to jazz. Have you seen there is a good live recording available on CD (recorded in 1972 in Europe) - there is also another album Tea Break Over - which alas If are past their prime with only a few of the original line-up playing. Part of the band became Zzebra and of course by the 1979/80 the successful Morrisey-Mullen Band.
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dwill123
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Posted: January 28 2007 at 13:43 | |
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Mascodagama
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Posted: January 28 2007 at 18:20 | |
^^Gents, which is the best If album to start off with...? If they compare favourably with e.g. Chicago Transit Authority's first, I'm interested...
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polyrythmic
Forum Senior Member Joined: January 02 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 112 |
Posted: January 28 2007 at 23:21 | |
I discovered prog through jazz rock, favorites of mine are Return to Forever, Caravan, and Billy Cohbam's solo work.
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Alucard
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 10 2004 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 3888 |
Posted: January 29 2007 at 03:22 | |
... and the guy even got payed for it , it's taken from the ‘Dictionnaire du Jazz‘[Laffont] (1994) , which is a really good reference book IMO, and I still think it's a good entry list and yes I agree with you the author should have been more careful, Xavier Daverat deserves a serious spanking....
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Tadpoles keep screaming in my ear
"Hey there! Rotter's Club! Explain the meaning of this song and share it" |
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Dick Heath
Special Collaborator Jazz-Rock Specialist Joined: April 19 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 12812 |
Posted: January 29 2007 at 05:41 | |
If or If 2 are equally good. As fan of both CTA and the early If albums, I think on the whole they are both great - and both still get regular listens in my household. CTA is more at the rock end of brass rock's sub-division of jazz rock, whilst If the jazz end. Ironically while I would call If a major brass rock band, they didn't play brass instruments, rather guitar, organ and woodwind in lead. Chicago used horns (the trombonist's (James Pankow?) arrangements did hit the button on a number of occasions, e.g. Mother), woodwind, organ, guitar in lead. In the past one or two folks have complained that they had problems with T Hodgkinson's voice in If, personally I think it is one of those great British smoky soulful voices- up there with James Litherland (Colosseum, Mogul Thrash), Chris Youlden (Savoy Brown) Robert Palmer (on earlier albums, e.g. Sneaking Sally)
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Dick Heath
Special Collaborator Jazz-Rock Specialist Joined: April 19 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 12812 |
Posted: January 29 2007 at 05:52 | |
Morrisey Mullen Band was built around Scot's Jim Mullen from the Average White band and Dick Morrisey from the UK 60's jazz scene and of course If. Their first album was Cape Wraith (on Harvest Records' short-lived jazz rock off-shoot - the other release was an album by Robert Ahwah and Max Middleton both ex Jeff beck and Hummingbird), in the 80's they were more popular on the jazz dance scene in Europe. ( A spin-off band lead by the American bass player of MMB, was known as Hubbards Cupboards). Dick Morrisey was ill for a long time through the 90's and alas died too young. Jim Mullen subsequently moved to much straighter jazz - some albums on Voiceprint Records (including a couple of albums with Gary Husband playing drums - in a way you won't expect from Level 42 and Allan Holdsworth's European drummer). If's vocalist T Hodkinson it has been reported (alas when the former members of If came together for Dick Morrisey's funeral), still sings on the Lancashire circuit in the UK.
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andu
Forum Senior Member Joined: September 27 2006 Location: Romania Status: Offline Points: 3089 |
Posted: January 29 2007 at 07:10 | |
When documenting on the Jimi Hendrix Experience, I read that Mitch Mitchell's drumming was of fundamental influence for the development of mature jazz-rock, mainly (only?)because of his "interplay" style of relating with the other instruments, and not just backing. What would you say about that, Mr. Heath? I also remember reading he played in actual jazzrock projects but I can't recall whether any release was involved.
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pero
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Posted: January 29 2007 at 07:28 | |
John "Mitch" Mitchell (born 9 July 1947 in Ealing, Middlesex) was a drummer for The Jimi Hendrix Experience. He was one of the most influential drummers of the late 1960s and early 1970s. In the few years before joining The Experience he was known locally as an outstanding session drummer (and had even hosted a children's programme on TV - probably a follow-on from his stage school training as a youngster). Known amongst his music mates in 1964 as the only musician they knew with a new car. He is most noted for his work with The Jimi Hendrix Experience, and praised for his legendary works on such songs as Manic Depression, Voodoo Child (Slight Return), Fire and Third Stone from the Sun. Mitchell came from a jazz background and like many of his drumming contemporaries he was strongly influenced by the work of Elvin Jones, Philly Joe Jones, and Art Blakey. He brought this dynamic, flowing style to the group, and was given the freedom to "take it out there" along with Jimi Hendrix, while still keeping the grooves grounded and solid. Mitch pioneered a style of drumming which would later become known as fusion. This is a "lead" style of playing typified by chops-heavy interplay with lead instruments such as guitar or keyboards, and the melding of jazz and rock drumming styles. In late 1966, this expressive and flamboyant style of playing was unheard of in rock. Drums had always been expected to stay in the background, locking down the groove with the bass. Along with Hendrix's groundbreaking guitar work and songs, Mitch's playing helped to redefine rock music. Mitch was Hendrix's most important musical collaborator, playing in Hendrix's Experience trio from October 1966 to mid-1969, his Woodstock band in August 1969, and also his "Cry of Love" band in 1970. Hendrix would often record tracks in the studio with just himself and Mitch, and in concert the two fed off of each other to exciting effect. Mitch played in the band The Dirty Mac which was put together for The Rolling Stones Rock and Roll Circus in 1968. The band contained John Lennon as "Winston Leg-Thigh" as vocalist and rhythm guitarist, Eric Clapton as guitarist, Keith Richards as bassist, and Mitch Mitchell as drummer. They recorded a rendition of the song Yer Blues, as well as a jam called Whole Lotta Yoko. |
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dwill123
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Posted: January 29 2007 at 08:03 | |
Mitch Mitchell influenced Jack DeJohnette, Tony Williams and Billy Cobham??? Edited by dwill123 - January 29 2007 at 08:04 |
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Dick Heath
Special Collaborator Jazz-Rock Specialist Joined: April 19 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 12812 |
Posted: January 29 2007 at 09:40 | |
Hoping your'e joking
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dwill123
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Posted: January 29 2007 at 10:01 | |
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Alucard
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Posted: January 29 2007 at 12:13 | |
interesting so Dwill , the 3 drummers you mentionned played all in the Jazz rock period of Miles Davis and are among the most significant modern Jazz drummers |
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Tadpoles keep screaming in my ear
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dwill123
Forum Senior Member Joined: December 19 2006 Status: Offline Points: 4460 |
Posted: January 29 2007 at 12:36 | |
I was trying to be facetious in my comments. I had never heard Mitch Mitchell described as being pioneering especially in the jazz-rock areana.
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