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Ivan_Melgar_M 
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 Posted: January 23 2007 at 23:08 |
 Chus wrote:
I heard some of those pieces of AMND and they sounded quite easy to play, as opposed to pieces like "Sevilla" by Albeniz or "Estudio Remembranza" by Segovia. now those are tough mothers. I'm not going to jump into the conclusion that Hackett lacks technical skill because I haven't heard him trying to play pieces quite like them (as yet).
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Try:
1.- Steve Hackett Live Archive 05 CD England; United Kingdom. Track Listing Intro, Japonica, Andante In C, Tribute To Segovia,
3.- Steve Hackett - Live Archive 05. Dble CD, £9.50 (Camino - CAMCD36)
Double disc set recorded at the Queen Elizabeth Hall in South London in 2005, featuring Hackett in his acoustic mode accompanied by his flute-playing brother John and keyboardist Roger King. Material stems from the works of classical composers such as Ravel and Segovia, as well as three tracks from Genesis days, 'After The Ordeal', 'Horizons' and 'Firth Of Fifth', his first excursion into classical music 'Bay Of Kings' from 1984, from his 2004 release 'Metamorpheus' and of course the by now mandatory 'Hands Of The Priestess' from the seminal 'Voyage Of The Acolyte' opus. Not to mention plenty of storyteling and raconteuring from the man himself- good enough reason to shell out your hard-earned, wethinks.
5.- A rare acoustic performance at the Teatro Metropolitan in Palermo, Sicily. Hackett, accompanied only by keyboardist Julian Colbeck, presents material from his two highly acclaimed acoustic albums together with some Genesis favourites and a selection of previously unheard material. Includes pieces unavailable elsewhere such as such as Steve's interpretations of "Cinema Paradiso" and Vivaldi's "Concerto in D"
Check it he has not only played Segovia but also Ravel, Bach, Vivaldi, etc etc etc-
BTW: It's probably not hard to say that Midsummer's Night Dream is easy after Hackett, wrote it, played it and recorded it with the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra alone as a soloist, but he did it before and believe me, the Classical critics are not benevolent with Rock stars playing their holy music, by the contrary they are very hard, and despite this fact he was acclaimed by that hard critic.
However Steve's greatest musical flowering was to come with the 1997 release on EMI Classics of "A Midsummer Night's Dream" - a series of original compositions for classical guitar and orchestra inspired by the play. The album fulfilled another of Steve's ambitions - to record with The Royal Philharmonic Orchestra - and put him in the UK's classical Top 10!
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BTW II: Hackett didn't hired the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra, he was invited by EMI Classical division. 
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This is an album which was recorded in 1997 as Steve was invited to do a show with the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra. The music was all composed by Steve Hackett.
The album was originally released by EMI Classical, but sold out rapidly. It has been unavailable for years. |
That's a bit harder. 
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Take a Petrucci lick and hand it to Hackett, and he would be immediately lost. Hand a Hackett like to Petrucci and he would play it perfectly, but you would say he wasn't playing it with the same emotion or he played it "too perfectly" or something like that.
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Sasquamo, guitar players as Hackett, Howe, Mc'Laughlin, Di Meola, etc won't get lost with anything.
In my case I'm talking about music and achievements Hackett has reached, Yehudi Menuhin doesn't choose Hackett's music because he's a nice guy, Menuhim was probably the most iconic classical Director and violin player of the XXth Century, and guys like him don't take risks.
In your case you're guessing that Hackett would get lost and that his music would be easilly played by Petrucci, I could also say that Petrucci wouldn't work an atmosphere remotely as Hackett, but that would be guessing.
I try to talk about facts and achievements that are documented.
I know I'm a fan of Hackett's work, but it is about time, he was the most ignored guitar virtuoso of the big 5 bands until he left Genesis and people discovered how really great he is, well I believe he must be credited.
Iván
Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - January 23 2007 at 23:15
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Chus
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Posted: January 24 2007 at 13:25 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Chus wrote:
I heard some of those pieces of AMND and they sounded quite easy to play, as opposed to pieces like "Sevilla" by Albeniz or "Estudio Remembranza" by Segovia. now those are tough mothers. I'm not going to jump into the conclusion that Hackett lacks technical skill because I haven't heard him trying to play pieces quite like them (as yet). |
Try:
1.- Steve Hackett Live Archive 05 CD England; United Kingdom. Track Listing Intro, Japonica, Andante In C, Tribute To Segovia,
3.- <A><FONT face="verdana, arial, helvetica" color=black size=2>Steve Hackett</A> - <FONT face="verdana, arial, helvetica" color=black size=2>Live Archive 05. Dble CD, £9.50 <FONT face="verdana, arial, helvetica" size=1>( <FONT face="verdana, arial, helvetica" color=#000000 size=1>Camino - CAMCD36) <!-- MATT: ,, //--> Double disc set recorded at the Queen Elizabeth Hall in South London in 2005, featuring Hackett in his acoustic mode accompanied by his flute-playing brother John and keyboardist Roger King. Material stems from the works of classical composers such as Ravel and Segovia, as well as three tracks from Genesis days, 'After The Ordeal', 'Horizons' and 'Firth Of Fifth', his first excursion into classical music 'Bay Of Kings' from 1984, from his 2004 release 'Metamorpheus' and of course the by now mandatory 'Hands Of The Priestess' from the seminal 'Voyage Of The Acolyte' opus. Not to mention plenty of storyteling and raconteuring from the man himself- good enough reason to shell out your hard-earned, wethinks.
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5.- A rare acoustic performance at the Teatro Metropolitan in Palermo, Sicily. Hackett, accompanied only by keyboardist Julian Colbeck, presents material from his two highly acclaimed acoustic albums together with some Genesis favourites and a selection of previously unheard material. Includes pieces unavailable elsewhere such as such as Steve's interpretations of "Cinema Paradiso" and Vivaldi's "Concerto in D"
Check it he has not only played Segovia but also Ravel, Bach, Vivaldi, etc etc etc-
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I'll check 'em out when I get the chance, thanks 
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
BTW: It's probably not hard to say that Midsummer's Night Dream is easy after Hackett, wrote it, played it and recorded it with the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra alone as a soloist, but he did it before and believe me, the Classical critics are not benevolent with Rock stars playing their holy music, by the contrary they are very hard, and despite this fact he was acclaimed by that hard critic. |
Not denying his composing skills (which is really a hard part); I just won't say he's a great guitarist for what I'd heard him play so far... yet again perhaps I need to listen more of his classical work and the suggested material above. I'll do it as soon as money comes around plenty
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
<FONT face=Arial size=2>However Steve's greatest musical flowering was to come with the 1997 release on EMI Classics of " <FONT face=Arial color=#800080 size=2>A Midsummer Night's Dream<FONT face=Arial size=2>" - a series of original compositions for classical guitar and orchestra inspired by the play. The album fulfilled another of Steve's ambitions - to record with The Royal Philharmonic Orchestra - and put him in the UK's classical Top 10!
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BTW II: Hackett didn't hired the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra, he was invited by EMI Classical division. [IMG]height=17 alt=LOL src="smileys/smiley36.gif" width=17 align=absMiddle>
This is an album which was recorded in 1997 as Steve was invited to do a show with the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra. The music was all composed by Steve Hackett.
The album was originally released by EMI Classical, but sold out rapidly. It has been unavailable for years. |
That's a bit harder. [IMG]height=17 alt=Wink src="smileys/smiley2.gif" width=17 align=absMiddle>
Sasquamo wrote:
Take a Petrucci lick and hand it to Hackett, and he would be immediately lost. Hand a Hackett like to Petrucci and he would play it perfectly, but you would say he wasn't playing it with the same emotion or he played it "too perfectly" or something like that. |
Sasquamo, guitar players as Hackett, Howe, Mc'Laughlin, Di Meola, etc won't get lost with anything.
In my case I'm talking about music and achievements Hackett has reached, Yehudi Menuhin doesn't choose Hackett's music because he's a nice guy, Menuhim was probably the most iconic classical Director and violin player of the XXth Century, and guys like him don't take risks.
In your case you're guessing that Hackett would get lost and that his music would be easilly played by Petrucci, I could also say that Petrucci wouldn't work an atmosphere remotely as Hackett, but that would be guessing.
I try to talk about facts and achievements that are documented.
I know I'm a fan of Hackett's work, but it is about time, he was the most ignored guitar virtuoso of the big 5 bands until he left Genesis and people discovered how really great he is, well I believe he must be credited.
Iván |
I doubt Petrucci would play classical guitar as perfect as classically-trained guitarists. Then again, haven't heard him so I won't judge that quickly, but he himself was trained differently.
Edited by Chus - January 24 2007 at 13:27
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Posted: January 24 2007 at 16:37 |
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I have an idea, everyone just shut the hell up!!
The reason I hate this place is because people just bash Dream Theater all day long and praise the classic prog bands which I don't find to be that great.
Ivan- WE GET IT! You don't need to continue fighting!
We know you wish Petrucci was dead and in the ground in an unmarked grave while you reign as prime minister and play with the wizards in Peter Gabriel's lyrics in the magical utopia of Hackett-land where any non-atmospheric feelings are illegal as people burn Iron Maiden records while wearing capes. You've proven your point!
You said " I doubt Petrucci would play classical guitar as perfect as classically-trained guitarists".
I doubt Hackett would play metal guitar as perfectly as guitarists who play demanding heavy metal.
You have not mentioned that Hackett has not touched Metal playing.
Sorry for the rant, but this sounds more like Policy Debate than a stupid poll on a progressive rock forum.
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Posted: January 24 2007 at 16:41 |
MajesterX wrote:
I have an idea, everyone just shut the hell up!!
The reason I hate this place is because people just bash Dream Theater all day long and praise the classic prog bands which I don't find to be that great.
Ivan- WE GET IT! You don't need to continue fighting!
We know you wish Petrucci was dead and in the ground in an unmarked grave while you reign as prime minister and play with the wizards in Peter Gabriel's lyrics in the magical utopia of Hackett-land where any non-atmospheric feelings are illegal as people burn Iron Maiden records while wearing capes. You've proven your point!
You said " I doubt Petrucci would play classical guitar as perfect as classically-trained guitarists".
I doubt Hackett would play metal guitar as perfectly as guitarists who play demanding heavy metal.
You have not mentioned that Hackett has not touched Metal playing.
Sorry for the rant, but this sounds more like Policy Debate than a stupid poll on a progressive rock forum.
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That rant was a bit uncalled for. First you say you hate this place (  ), second you start saying some things about Ivan which are untrue and unnecessary to prove your point (  ) and third you call polls stupid (  ).
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: January 24 2007 at 18:02 |
MajesterX wrote:
I have an idea, everyone just shut the hell up!!
If you don't like the the thread, you can avoid it, it's your choice, but nobody has to shut a debate simply because you don't like it, specially when nobody has been insulting or offensive.
The reason I hate this place is because people just bash Dream Theater all day long and praise the classic prog bands which I don't find to be that great.
Nobody is bashing Dream Theater here, nobody has said Petrucci is a bad guitar player, it's a simple conversation and argumented opinions about degrees of skills...NOTHING ELSE.
If you want to listen people saying how much they love Dream Theater and how they believe it's the best band of the world, there are plenty of fan clubs, people gives their opinion, like it or not.
But why are you so angry about a place you hate so much in your own words?
Ivan- WE GET IT! You don't need to continue fighting!
- I'm not fighting or haven't fought a single time, just gave arguments.
- I didn't started this thread and if people reply politely as has happened until now, I won't shut up.
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I have said several times I can understand people believing Petrucci is better but neither I agree, neither I have offended anybody.
We know you wish Petrucci was dead and in the ground in an unmarked grave while you reign as prime minister and play with the wizards in Peter Gabriel's lyrics in the magical utopia of Hackett-land where any non-atmospheric feelings are illegal as people burn Iron Maiden records while wearing capes. You've proven your point!
First, I have nothing against Petrucci, saying I don't believe he's in the level of versatility and acomplishments is only expressing my opinions as I wouldn't feel offended when people compares Hackett, Howe or anybody with most surely technically superior players as Segoivia or Paco de Lucía in the acustic, Flamenco and classical fields.
It would be completely stupid to hate a person who I haven't talked with in my life.
For your information, I'm one of the members who has insisted more in the addition of Iron Maiden and supported it from the start when people was harrasing Raf, not only because I believe they are pioneers of Prog Metal but also a superb band, so it's very unlikely I would burn an album of one of my favorite bands (You may ask Ghost Rider about this or simply read my posts).
Haven't said or implied that a single time, haven't even mention Petrucci lacks of skills a single time, something that has been said several times about Hackett, but believe me, neither I work for Hackett neither I receive a dime, I just give my opinions and that you won't stop them.
That I don't like Dream Theater.. it's true I have never hidden it, but I don't like a lot of King Crimson, VDGG and never been able to fully understand Gentle Giant, what's wrong with that, I knoew what I like and I say it publicly despite the sub-genre, era or approach, I also asked for the inclusion of bands like Fantomas, Miranda Sex Garden, OSIBISA, Elmer Gantry's Velvet Opera (As a fact I have included all them except Fantomas) and none is remotely Symphonic or Classic Prog.
You said " I doubt Petrucci would play classical guitar as perfect as classically-trained guitarists".
I doubt Hackett would play metal guitar as perfectly as guitarists who play demanding heavy metal.
Yes you're right, Hackett is not a metal guitar player, but again, the poll was made about this two musicians, I didn't placed the rules neither asked the question.
I'm talking specificly about general skills, versatility, recognition and a couple issues more, and I have given arguments plus quotes for each one.
You have not mentioned that Hackett has not touched Metal playing.
You're right, because HE DOESN'T PLAY METAL, I would be lying if I said he did, despite I believe somngs like Musical Box or The Knife (Not written but performed by him) have already some metalic elements and aggressive guitar playing.
Sorry for the rant, but this sounds more like Policy Debate than a stupid poll on a progressive rock forum.
If it's so stupid...Why are you wasting your time and showing your anger in it when you have at least 100 other open threads to give your opinion in?
Iván
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Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - January 24 2007 at 18:18
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Posted: January 24 2007 at 18:15 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
MajesterX wrote:
I have an idea, everyone just shut the hell up!!
If you don't like the the thread, you can avoid it, it's your choice, but nobody has to shut a debate simply bexcause you don't like it, specially when nobody has been insulting or offensive.
The reason I hate this place is because people just bash Dream Theater all day long and praise the classic prog bands which I don't find to be that great.
Nobody is bashing Dream Theater here, nobody has said Petrucci is a bad guitar player, it's a simple conversation and argumented opinions abiut degrees of skills...NOTHING ELSE.
If you want to listen people saying how much they love Dream Theater and how they believe it's the best band of the world, there are plenty of fan clubs, people gives their opinion, like it or not.
But why are you so angry aboput a place you hate so much in your own words?
Ivan- WE GET IT! You don't need to continue fighting!
- I'm not fighting or haven't fought a single time, just gave arguments.
- I didn't started this thread and if people reply politely as has happened until now, I won't shut up.
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I have said several times I can understand people believing Petrucci is better but neither I agree neither I have offended anybody.
We know you wish Petrucci was dead and in the ground in an unmarked grave while you reign as prime minister and play with the wizards in Peter Gabriel's lyrics in the magical utopia of Hackett-land where any non-atmospheric feelings are illegal as people burn Iron Maiden records while wearing capes. You've proven your point!
First, I have nothing against Petrucci, saying I don't believe he's in the level of versatility and acomplishments is only expressing my opinions as I wouldn't feel offended when people compares Hackett, Howe or anybody with most surely technically superior players as Segoivia or Paco de Lucía in the acustic, Flamenco and classical fields.
For your information, I'm one of the obnes who insisted more in the addition of Iron Maiden because I believe they are puioneers of P¨rog Metal and a superb band, so it's very unlikely I would burn an album of one of my favorite bands (You may ask Ghost Rider about this or simply read my posts).
Haven't said or implied that a single time, haven't even mention Petrucci lacks of skills a single time, something that has been said several times about Hackett, but believe me, neither I work for Hackett neither I receive a dime, I just give my opinions and that you won't stop them.
You said " I doubt Petrucci would play classical guitar as perfect as classically-trained guitarists".
I doubt Hackett would play metal guitar as perfectly as guitarists who play demanding heavy metal.
Yes you're right, Hackett is not a metal guitar player, but again, the poll was made about this two musicians, I didn't placed the rules neither asked the question.
I'm talking aspecificly about general skills, versatility, recognition and a couple issues more, and I have given arguments and quotes for each one.
You have not mentioned that Hackett has not touched Metal playing.
You're right, because HE DOESN'T PLAY METAL, I would be lying if I said.
Sorry for the rant, but this sounds more like Policy Debate than a stupid poll on a progressive rock forum.
If it's so stupid...Why are you wasting your time and showing your anger in it when you have at least 100 other open threads to give your opinion in?
Iván
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This is hilarious...  I wish I could see this acted out on a stage...
Edited by bluetailfly - January 24 2007 at 18:25
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Posted: January 24 2007 at 19:44 |
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You are all wrong since you didn't include Green Day's guitar player and mastermind in the poll.....
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Posted: January 24 2007 at 20:06 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
[QUOTE=MajesterX]I have an idea, everyone just shut the hell up!!
If you don't like the the thread, you can avoid it, it's your choice, but nobody has to shut a debate simply because blah blah blah blah.......
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Honesty, did you think I was serious in that post?? You really need to get a sense of humour my friend in this place, with all respects. I guess I'm just the type of person that likes to make silly over-dramatic rants because they are annoyed. Just PLEASE never dissect my ever words like they're a poor dead pigeon in a school biology class, it's more formal to quote me and THEN talk about what I said and how it's wrong than to pick and my every syllable. In all seriousness, I see them both as equals, Hackett is better at emotional more classical based playing while Petrucci better at more technical more metal based playing. Personally I like a combination between technicality and emotion. I think players like Daniel Gildenlow, Mikael Akerfeldt, Alex Lifeson and Steve Howe bring that to the table in their own unique way. Cheers! 
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Posted: January 24 2007 at 20:13 |
Honestly you did sounded very serious, at least for Progismylife (Who I never talked with) and me,but if it all was a joke, no harm has been done (Well, even if it's serious, no harm has been done anyway). 
Iván
Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - January 24 2007 at 20:25
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Chus
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Posted: January 24 2007 at 20:22 |
MajesterX wrote:
I have an idea, everyone just shut the hell up!! The reason I hate this place is because people just bash Dream Theater all day long and praise the classic prog bands which I don't find to be that great. Ivan- WE GET IT! You don't need to continue fighting! We know you wish Petrucci was dead and in the ground in an unmarked grave while you reign as prime minister and play with the wizards in Peter Gabriel's lyrics in the magical utopia of Hackett-land where any non-atmospheric feelings are illegal as people burn Iron Maiden records while wearing capes. You've proven your point! You said " I doubt Petrucci would play classical guitar as perfect as classically-trained guitarists". I doubt Hackett would play metal guitar as perfectly as guitarists who play demanding heavy metal. You have not mentioned that Hackett has not touched Metal playing. Sorry for the rant, but this sounds more like Policy Debate than a stupid poll on a progressive rock forum. |
You just love deforming one's idea. I said he couldn't play as perfect classical guitar BECAUSE HE HAS A MORE EMPHASIS ON ELECTRIC GUITAR. You think we get paid for bashing DT and this is all a conspiracy? We try to write as objectively as possible about DT, and the fact that they're all superb players, but is it bad that we just don't like it?
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Posted: January 24 2007 at 20:30 |
MajesterX wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
[QUOTE=MajesterX]I have an idea, everyone just shut the hell up!!
If you don't like the the thread, you can avoid it, it's your choice, but nobody has to shut a debate simply because blah blah blah blah....... |
Honesty, did you think I was serious in that post??  You really need to get a sense of humour my friend in this place, with all respects. I guess I'm just the type of person that likes to make silly over-dramatic rants because they are annoyed. Just PLEASE never dissect my ever words like they're a poor dead pigeon in a school biology class, it's more formal to quote me and THEN talk about what I said and how it's wrong than to pick and my every syllable. In all seriousness, I see them both as equals, Hackett is better at emotional more classical based playing while Petrucci better at more technical more metal based playing. Personally I like a combination between technicality and emotion. I think players like Daniel Gildenlow, Mikael Akerfeldt, Alex Lifeson and Steve Howe bring that to the table in their own unique way. Cheers! |
Sorry didn't read that  .. but you have to be careful, perhaps you could raise another DT war or ELP war for rants like these
Gotta go get my paycheck for DT bashin'
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Posted: January 25 2007 at 17:29 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Visitor13 wrote:
I'd love to get a classical guitarist's opinion of Hackett's classical stuff and a jazz guitarist's of his jazz stuff.
Then again, the fact that Hackett can play classical on a (at the very least) decent level already speaks volumes about his ability and talent. I haven't heard his jazz stuff, but I'm more skeptical here, as I don't think you can really dabble in jazz (neither can you dabble in classical, but I think Hackett does more than merely to dabble there) You can play jazzy-sounding licks, but little more than that, IMO... but I'm certainly not writing Hackett's jazz abilities off here.
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Well Visitor, Steve's Hackett's Midsummer's Night Dream with thew Royal Philharmonic Orchestra was considered one of the top 10 Classical albums of 1997 by the demanding Classical critc.
That means something.
If you want a Classical expert opinion, it's only necassary to say that Yehudi Menuhim was so impressed with Hackett's performance of the Four Seasons by Vivaldi that used Steve's music as the theme to his television documentary From Kew To The Findhorn Foundation and he was even more demanding than the Classical critic and an expert..
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Haha, that is just awesome.
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