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cmidkiff 
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 Posted: January 22 2007 at 15:26 |
 Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
I see as a contradiction to include a band in a mainly rating and reviewing Prog site and don't allow to rate them.
Leave it like this.
Iván |
The problem is they are not Prog.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: January 22 2007 at 15:27 |
The delete them, there's no reason adding a non Prog band to a rating review Prog site and not allow rating and reviewing.
If they are here, there's a reason plus a relation with Prog and it's rating.
Iván
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bluetailfly
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Posted: January 22 2007 at 15:34 |
I feel like Bill Murray in "Groundhog Day"... 
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"The red polygon's only desire / is to get to the blue triangle."
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: January 22 2007 at 15:37 |
bluetailfly wrote:
I feel like Bill Murray in "Groundhog Day"... |
That's our fate and in every site I visited, the topics keep repeating.
4 decades of P¨rog....this means that there are very few really new things to add.
Iván
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Rivertree
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Posted: January 22 2007 at 15:54 |
 IMHO proto-prog/prog-releated bands and reviews will ever have the minority in the future - because this is a Progressive Rock site - leave it as it is!
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bluetailfly
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Posted: January 22 2007 at 16:10 |
Uwe Zickel wrote:
IMHO proto-prog/prog-releated bands and reviews will ever have the minority in the future -
because this is a Progressive Rock site - leave it as it is!
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I agree, but the problem is that the site is infected, and that infection may grow, has the possiblity of growing and overwhelming the host site. As long as that possbility exists, I am not comfortable and will not be comfortable. Infidel bands are here mingling their low style of living with the hallowed prog bands. I myself have come to the home page to be personally effronted by a picture of Jim Morrison, a most un-proggy infidel, and a rave review by one of his most depraved followers.
I think a jihad-like movement needs to return the site to the prog boundaries set forth by holy men E. Macan and P. Stump. We need a cleansing by fire... 
[Note: the real emoticon I need here to convey irony doesn't exist; we need a better emoticon palate. I'm trying to cooperate with the emoticon thing, but they're not relevant to my purpose. Just an FYI to the admins.]
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"The red polygon's only desire / is to get to the blue triangle."
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Proglodita
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Posted: January 22 2007 at 16:20 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
I see as a contradiction to include a band in a mainly rating and reviewing Prog site and don't allow to rate them.
Leave it like this.
Iván |
Yes, it has to be possible to rate them, but the results should be keep apart, not in the spotlight maybe.
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blaughida
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Posted: January 22 2007 at 16:26 |
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Both categories should be reviewable. I'm mainly here to explore progressive rock, yes, but I definitely appreciate having reviews of proto and prog-related bands. The idea as I see it is that many prog fans might be interested in these bands, too, and if I might be interested in an album I'd like to see what people think of it.
I do somewhat understand the objection to having bands thus classified in the top 100, but while I wouldn't particularly object to taking proto-prog and prog-related albums out of this, I don't think it is at all necessary. The top 100 is phrased as "progarchives' most popular titles" and makes no claim to be the "best 100 progressive rock albums ever made" or anything of the sort.
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cmidkiff
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Posted: January 22 2007 at 17:03 |
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bluetailfly
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Posted: January 22 2007 at 17:10 |
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"The red polygon's only desire / is to get to the blue triangle."
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cmidkiff
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Posted: January 22 2007 at 17:24 |
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[QUOTE=blaughida] Both categories should be reviewable. I'm mainly here to explore progressive rock, yes, but I definitely appreciate having reviews of proto and prog-related bands. The idea as I see it is that many prog fans might be interested in these bands, too, and if I might be interested in an album I'd like to see what people think of it.
*But what if prog fans are interested in classical music as well. Should those be listed too, in case we want to see reviews of them as well*
I do somewhat understand the objection to having bands thus classified in the top 100, but while I wouldn't particularly object to taking proto-prog and prog-related albums out of this, I don't think it is at all necessary. The top 100 is phrased as "progarchives' most popular titles" and makes no claim to be the "best 100 progressive rock albums ever made" or anything of the sort.
*That is true, but isn't this suppossed to be a progressive web site? Isn't it peculiar to see "Abby Road" in the top 100? I think if I went to a Heavy Metal website and saw "Abby Road" in their top 100, I probably wouldn't take their site seriously.*
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eugene
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Posted: January 22 2007 at 17:29 |
^^^And on this site you can see both Abbey Road and Heavy Metal, and please, you should take it seriously.
On classical music point - I would not mind to see it here as well.
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cmidkiff
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Posted: January 23 2007 at 08:10 |
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Easy Livin
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Posted: January 23 2007 at 14:12 |
 The reason it is in this section, is because it is about proto prog and prog related.
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Rivertree
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Posted: January 23 2007 at 14:19 |
 ... infected and very clever ... ??? 
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cmidkiff
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Posted: January 23 2007 at 15:18 |
Easy Livin wrote:
[IMG]height=17 alt=Confused src="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif" width=17 align=absMiddle> The reason it is in this section, is because it is about proto prog and prog related. |
Actually, its about the whole site, and only those interested in proto prog and prog related will see the poll and of coarse vote accordingly. Those who aren't interested in proto prog and prog related may not ever even come to this part of the forum.
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progismylife
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Posted: January 23 2007 at 15:26 |
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I think it is a good addition to the site, but I am tired of seeing massive reviews for proto and prog related bands when they are added. Besides that I think it is a great idea to find out what bands influenced prog or are not exactly mainstream rock. It should stay as it is. The bands that are in these categories have been argued over a lot to include their entry into the site so I think the site isn't getting diluted too much.
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cmidkiff
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Posted: January 23 2007 at 16:05 |
progismylife wrote:
Besides that I think it is a great idea to find out what bands influenced prog or are not exactly mainstream rock.
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I'm also intrested in these bands, but I didn't want to completely remove them. Just move them to a referance area.
I have nothing against these bands and actually have albums from most if not all of the Proto prog artists and a allot of the Prog related artists as well.
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Tony R
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Posted: January 23 2007 at 16:18 |
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I think there is merit in the idea of completely seperating Proto/Prog-Related bands from the real Prog bands,however these "artificial" genres are here to act as a stepping stone from rock to Prog Rock.
Meaning: someone who likes the longer "epics" of Iron Maiden might just discover Dream Theater or other Prog-Metal bands by being drawn here. They see the "metal" part of the tag "prog-metal" and listen to some of the Mp3s.They like what they hear and little by little they get drawn into the world of Prog,join the forum and discover the broad spectrum of Prog Rock.
Ok,so this might only happen 1 in every 2000 hits but we get more than 50000 hits per day so maybe its worth it.
This might sound fanciful but its worth it if it works.
Edited by Tony R - January 23 2007 at 16:19
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WaywardSon
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Posted: January 23 2007 at 16:29 |
I voted keep it the way it is. I like the idea of proto/related used as a big net to lure people to Progarchives.
In fact I would like to see a bigger net!! (I´m probably in the minority here)
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