how does tool relate to kc?

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The_answer_is_in_10000_DAYS.

The_beggining_of_VICARIOUS_is_reminiscent_of_the_typical_contrapunctal_guitars_of_King_Crimson.

The_most_obvious_influence_(and_a_tribute_I_think)_is_the_song_ROSETTA_STONED._

Listen_carefully_the_end_of_that_song.

There_you_have_THRAK_almost_ripped_off!!

That´s_the_best_proof_I_could_think_of.

I_agree_with_the_repetitive_thing_and_with_Adam´s_guitar_work.

That still is not a member of the band stating.."We plagiarised King Crimson's music",which is what your previous post directly implied,Harry.

And how about some links please?

TheProgtologist wrote: That still is not a member of the band stating.."We plagiarised King Crimson's music",which is what your previous post directly implied,Harry. And how about some links please?

    
I'd have to say that stating "Hey, we ripped these guys off blind" is in line with "pretty much admitting that they plagiarized KC", if we're getting into semantics.

TheProgtologist wrote: But the claim is totally unsubstantiated Aaron. I never said KC wasn't a big influence on Tool,because they were,and Tool admit it.Tool also inspired KC,which Fripp admits to in the short article I linked. But Harry is claiming Tool admitted to ripping them off,and I don't buy it.

Harry Hood wrote: TheProgtologist wrote: But the claim is totally unsubstantiated Aaron. I never said KC wasn't a big influence on Tool,because they were,and Tool admit it.Tool also inspired KC,which Fripp admits to in the short article I linked. But Harry is claiming Tool admitted to ripping them off,and I don't buy it.   "Do you hear the influence? There's just one figure where I hear an influence, just one. It was a piece we were developing that we dropped. And it's almost exactly the same figure: three note arpeggio with a particular accent from the guitar. So I don't think you could have heard it. That's the only thing"   Fripp is basically saying "we wrote a song that sounded kinda like yours, but it sucked, so we gave up on it" He knows they're not talented enough to rip off KC completely.

You can argue your point without all the little digs and barbs about how inferior you think Tool are to KC.Don't cross the line and start trying to "bait' me,which is against forum rules.
    

I can specifcally note the 46 and 2 "riff" (shamelessly itself copied by Dream Theater in the song Home) paying near note for note tribute to "Frame By Frame".

You should note, that even if Tool "stole" anything from Krimso, they at least had the decency to not only admit, but to bring the newest era Krimson on tour to introduce to their audience. Tool had a habit ever since Undertow, if not Opiate of touring with unconventional bands the audiences may not like, but who the band Tool themselves listen to and "rip off"
    
Then again, the 80's era Krimson stole quite a bit from The Talking Heads, specifically the gamalon interweaving percussions, as heard on Fear of Music

Edited by BenMech - January 21 2007 at 13:19

I once read in the REVOLVER magazine, shortly after the 10000 days release in an interview with Tool that Maynard said "we have been ripping off King Crimson and nobody seems to notice it!" Obviously he did not mean the whole business in "ripping-off", but only admitted once again they are clearly influenced by this band. It is nothing bad at all to admit you are learning from your idols.

KC-Art Rock

Tool-Art Metal

That's the similarity

I suppose people draw a connection because Tool's arrangements are very similar/heavily influenced by King Crimson. Especially the 70s lineup; "Red" and "Aenima" are two albums that really compliment each other.

Edited by Age_Of_Answers - February 21 2007 at 22:15