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    Posted: January 19 2007 at 01:33
I don't know if this question already asked before or not, but why prog metal definition mention the name King's X, which doesn't included in this site, and Spock's Beard, which categorized as Symphonic Prog ?
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Points: 5085 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 19 2007 at 10:47
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Points: 24429 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 19 2007 at 10:53
You have a very good point here, and I'll open at once a thread in the Collabs section so that someone from the PMT will answer your question. The main problem is, this section of the forum is rarely visited, and if there are no active threads shown on the forum main page, topics are unlikely to be noticed.
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Points: 5085 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 19 2007 at 10:55
i see, thanks for your attention then !
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Points: 24429 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 19 2007 at 10:56
Just posted the thread... Let's hope you'll get an aswer soon!Wink
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Points: 21342 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 19 2007 at 11:08
What exactly about Spock's Beard makes them metal is my question. Sure they have some heavy sections, but for the most part, their time with Morse (I haven't heard any Post-Morse Beard albums to be honest) was pretty symphonic overall.
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Points: 5085 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 19 2007 at 11:14
I've heard the album Octane, and though it have some rock element in some songs, i won't call them metal though, it's not that heavy IMO
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Points: 21149 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 19 2007 at 12:14
The definition is outdated ... it was taken from wikipedia, and the current version is much better:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_metal

They no longer mention Spock's Beard, which were obviously included by mistake. King's X ... well, they are considered to be a progressive band by some people, but their support in the archives wasn't strong enough. The new version mentions them as a prog metal band being on the soft, mainstream-oriented end of the spectrum ... in my own opinion they're not a metal band, and as a whole, taking into account all the albums, not a prog band. They're also too soft to be called metal, although I remember some CD stickers which labeled them "metal" - but these stickers are written by marketing people, not music experts. I guess that mistakes like these just sneak into reviews and biographies and are then simply carried on.


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Points: 5085 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 19 2007 at 12:17
that would explain a lot i guess
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Points: 24429 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 19 2007 at 12:18
Mike, were King's X rejected by the PMT? I seem to remember they were in the list of artists to be discussed... Perhaps we could bring the subject back?
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Points: 21149 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 19 2007 at 12:21
King's X were never handled by the PMT because Art Rock was determined to be the correct genre. They were then polled and rejected as Art Rock and Prog-Related, although there were quite a few supporters - but it simply wasn't enough.

Personally I love the band's early albums, but I wouldn't force their inclusion. As I said above, they're not really Prog, and we should focus on the Prog bands.Smile
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Points: 3830 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 19 2007 at 14:30
I enjoy King's X a great deal; they're on InsideOut, a prog label, and have commonly been discussed as a progressive band. Doug Pinnick of King's X (vocals, bass) has a guest appearance on an epic-length Dream Theater track as a vocalist, and in their side projects, they generally work with prog musicians.

I haven't heard enough of their output to take a firm stance, but I've always considered them to be on the more commercial/poppy end of prog.
    
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