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    Posted: January 17 2007 at 08:13
Awesome band! Your favorite? Torn between Aja and The Royal Scam.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 17 2007 at 09:42

All their work is top notch but AJA is so good it's what I consider the best LP produced in the 70s.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 17 2007 at 12:08
    In my opinion, there are no bad Steely Dan albums. "Aja" is what I consider to be a perfect album. However, "Countdown" is my favorite. It has a lot of sentimental value.
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Originally posted by Chicapah Chicapah wrote:

All their work is top notch but AJA is so good it's what I consider the best LP produced in the 70s.



And Steve Gadd's drumming towards the latter part of the title track is sublime.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 17 2007 at 14:23
Has to be Aja.... I feel like Deacon Blues a lot these days... ;)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 17 2007 at 14:46
Aja, for the works of one of my favorite drummers, Steve Gadd.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 17 2007 at 18:05
Royal Scam, their deepest followed by Pretzelogic
then Countdown, then Aja
Cant Buy A Thrill, Katy Lied and Gaucho are about even for various reasons.
 
 
Fagen and Becker named the band for a steam-powered dildo in the William Burroughs novel Naked Lunch.[1]
 The Naked Lunch

Naked Lunch is considered Burroughs' seminal work, and one of the landmark publications in the history of American literature. Extremely controversial in both its subject matter and its use of often 'obscene' language (something Burroughs recognized and intended), the book was banned in many regions of the United States, and was one of the last American books to actually be put on trial for obscenity. The book was banned by Boston courts in 1962 due to obscenity (notably child murder in pedophilic acts), but that decision was reversed in a landmark 1966 opinion by the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court. This was the last major literary censorship battle in the U.S. The Appeals Court found the book did not violate obscenity statutes; the hearing included testimony in support of the work by Allen Ginsberg and Norman Mailer.

In 1959 sections of the manuscript were published in a University of Chicago student run publication The Big Table. The edition was not well received, and caused the university administration to fire the student editors. When the editor Paul Carroll published BIG TABLE Magazine (Issue No. 1, Spring 1959) on his own accord, he was found guilty of sending obscene material through the U.S. mail for including "Ten Episodes from 'Naked Lunch'", a piece of writing the Judicial Officer for the United States Postal Service deemed "undisciplined prose, far more akin to the early work of experimental adolescents than to anything of literary merit" and initially judged it as nonmailable under the provisions of Section 1461, Title 18, United States Code. (The Big Table court decision)

Upon publication, Grove Press added to the book supplementary material regarding the censorship battle as well as an article written by Burroughs on the topic of drug addiction. In 2002, a "restored text" edition of Naked Lunch was published, with some new and previously suppressed material added.

[edit] Plot summary

Spoiler warning: Plot and/or ending details follow.

Naked Lunch consists of many loosely related vignettes in which several characters such as the sadistic, sociopathic and borderline incompetent Dr. Benway reappear. The primary character (one might say the main character) is agent Bill Lee (a pseudonym for Burroughs — Lee was his mother's maiden name; Burroughs also appears in Kerouac's On the Road as "Old Bull Lee" and used the pseudonym William Lee for his first novel, Junkie, and for his second novel, Queer).

The book's structure anticipates the cut-up technique Burroughs would later employ in novels such as the so-called "Nova Trilogy" (The Soft Machine, The Ticket That Exploded, and Nova Express). The stories draw from his experiences in Tangiers and his life in America and Mexico, as well as a tour through South America he undertook after accidentally shooting his common-law wife Joan Vollmer in the head while supposedly playing a drunken game of William Tell. Throughout this period he became addicted to several drugs (notably heroin and morphine). The novel's mix of taboo fantasies, peculiar creatures (like the predatory Mugwumps), and eccentric personalities all serve to unmask mechanisms and processes of control. Burroughs explains the title as “a frozen moment when everyone sees what is at the end of the fork.” The title was suggested by Burroughs's friend Jack Kerouac. The novel is a particularly grand illustration of Burroughs's skill with dialogue. Poet Allen Ginsberg, Burroughs' close friend and sometime lover, refers to Naked Lunch in his introduction to his epic poem "Howl".

The book contains what is generally considered to be some of Burroughs' most memorable and quoted passages. One of the most quoted is a section (or, to use Burroughs' terminology, a "routine") known as "The Talking Asshole". This story-within-a-story involves a man who teaches his anal orifice to talk, a trick he soon regrets when it develops a personality and mind of its own and eventually takes over the man's body. The man is eventually incapable of doing anything other than consuming and excreting, becoming an "all-purpose blob." The anecdote serves as a symbol of material consumerism, which, like a man teaching his asshole to talk started with good intentions but ultimately ended in lobotomizing the population. The man is eventually stripped of his free-will, doubt, and reasoning, and can only serve as a more efficient consumer. The man is to represent society, who's been offered hopeful capitalism at the expense of being brainwashed by the media in order to forward the capital. Notable recordings and performances of this routine include Frank Zappa reading it during 1978's The Nova Convention (it was recorded and released by Giorno Poetry Systems), by Burroughs himself in his mid-1990s CD Spare Ass Annie and Other Tales, and it is quoted virtually verbatim by Peter Weller's character in the film version of Naked Lunch.

Several characters would reappear in many later works, most notably the surgeon Dr. Benway, Clem Snide "the Private Asshole", and Inspector Lee. In 1989, Burroughs published Interzone, a collection of short stories and other writings including a chapter entitled "WORD" that at one time was considered for inclusion in Naked Lunch. According to some sources, Burroughs original title for the novel Naked Lunch was also Interzone.

[edit] Interpretation

The redeeming literary merit of the work is found in the biting satire and social criticism many of these episodes contain. Burroughs digests the modern American mind and spits out a wild, almost repulsive parade of images and characters that encapsulate the current state of the 20th century. From the seedy abortionist who solicits pregnant women on the street, to the racist County Clerk who represents rural intolerance, to the macho father who buys a prostitute for his fifteen year old son on his birthday, only to discover the kid literally got a "piece of ass", Naked Lunch exposes the under workings of the American experience, and shows the beginnings of a social pathology and hypocrisy that would erupt in the 1960s as a 'culture war'. Burroughs himself found the material disturbing to write, but also a cleansing of his life-long frustrations and unconsciously repressed experiences.

On a more specific level, Naked Lunch protests the death penalty. In Burroughs' Deposition: A Testiomony Concerning A Sickness, perhaps the most shocking and pornographic section of the book, "the Blue Movies" (appearing in the vignette A.J.'s Annual Party) is deemed "a tract against capital punishment." Within "the Blue Movies," three overtly sexual adolescents take part in hanging one another, wherein Burroughs lewdly mocks by incorporating auto-erotic asphyxiation.

Using believable metaphors representing addiction (most notably heroin, along with medical practice [Benway resorting to subway abortions after having his license revoked] and even homosexuality), Burroughs repudiates America's consumerist post-World War II state, and the overall human addiction to control. Unfortunately because of its absurdity and strong drug content, many readers misinterperet Naked Lunch as merely a drug novel written by a delusional addict.

The Junky's Christmas is a 1993 short claymation film directed by Nick Donkin and Melodie McDaniel. William S. Burroughs wrote the story and narrates the film. The story originally appeared in the 1989 collection Interzone and the recording of Burroughs reading the story was also released on the CD Spare Ass Annie and Other Tales.

The film was produced by Francis Ford Coppola. The film is scheduled for DVD release in North America on Nov. 21, 2006.[1]



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 17 2007 at 18:11
Will go with most and vote for Aja.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 17 2007 at 18:19
Of what I've heard from them; Gaucho.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 17 2007 at 18:23
hahah. I LOVE Steely Dan polls...

best - Aha..  a flawless album IHMO

favorite..  Katy Lied.

agree with HT as well, there simply were no bad or subpar SD albums.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 17 2007 at 18:26
Originally posted by DallasBryan DallasBryan wrote:

 
Fagen and Becker named the band for a steam-powered dildo in the William Burroughs novel Naked Lunch.[1]


now that... my friends.. is prog LOL 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 17 2007 at 18:44
SHOW BIZ KIDS (Countdown to Esctasy)

CHORUS:
While the poor people sleepin'
With the shade on the light
While the poor people sleepin'
All the stars come out at night

After closing time
At the Guernsey Fair
I detect the El Supremo
From the room at the top of the stairs
Well I've been around the world
And I've been in the Washington Zoo
And in all my travels
As the facts unravel
I've found this to be true

CHORUS

They got the house on the corner
With the rug inside
They got the booze they need
All that money can buy
They got the shapely bods
They got the Steely Dan T-shirt
And for the coup-de-gras
They're outrageous

CHORUS

Show biz kids making movies
Of themselves you know they
Don't give a f**k about anybody else

CHORUS

 

ANY MAJOR DUDE WILL TELL YOU (Pretzelogic)

I never seen you looking so bad my funky one
You tell me that your superfine mind has come undone

CHORUS:
Any major dude with half a heart surely will tell you my friend
Any minor world that breaks apart falls together again
When the demon is at your door
In the morning it won't be there no more
Any major dude will tell you

Have you ever seen a squonk's tears? Well, look at mine
The people on the street have all seen better times

CHORUS

I can tell you all I know, the where to go, the what to do
You can try to run but you can't hide from what's inside of you

CHORUS

THROUGH WITH BUZZ (Pretzelogic)

He takes all my money
You know I'm through with Buzz
Yes I'm through with Buzz,
All right, oh yeah, uh huh

He's not very funny
You know I'm through with Buzz
Yes I'm through with Buzz,
All right, oh yeah, uh huh

I remember when he stole my girl
Drug her all around the world
You know I'm cool, yes I feel alright
'Cept when I'm in my room and it's late at night

Maybe he's a fairy
You know I'm through with Buzz
Yes I'm through with Buzz
All right, oh yeah, uh huh, all right

SIGN IN STRANGER (Royal Scam)

Have you heard about the boom on Mizar Five
People got to shout to stay alive
They don't even have policeman one
Doesn't matter where you been or what you've done
Do you have a dark spot on your past
Leave it to my man he'll fix it fast
Pepe has a scar from ear to ear
He will make your mug shots disappear

CHORUS:
You zombie
Be born again my friend
Won't you sign in stranger

Do you like to take a yo-yo for a ride
Zombie I can see you're qualified
Walk around collecting Turkish union dues
They will call you sir and shine your shoes
Or maybe you would like to see the show
You'll enjoy the Cafe D'Escargot
Folks are in a line around the block
Just to see her do the can-can-Jacques

CHORUS

 

EVERYTHING YOU DID (Royal Scam) 

Where did the b*****d run
Is he still around
Now you gotta tell me everything you did baby
I'm gonna get a gun
Shoot the lover down
Are you gonna tell me everything you did baby

Traces are everywhere
In our happy home
Now you better tell me everything you did baby
I jumped out of my easy chair
It was not my own
Now I want to hear about everything you did baby

I never knew you
You were a roller skater
You gonna show me later
Turn up the Eagles the neighbors are listening

You know how people talk
I wonder what they say
I think you better tell me everything you did baby

I never knew you
You were a roller skater
You gonna show me later

You never came to me
When you were so inclined
Yes you could have told me everything you did baby
I know where baby's at
I know your filthy mind
Now you're gonna do me everything you did baby

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 17 2007 at 18:50
hahahha.. Excellent DB. Fagen was a CRIMINALLY underrated lyricist.

my favorite .. from a favorite... an ode to  Porn movies...LOL

Kids if you want some fun
Mr. LaPage is your man
He's always laughing, having fun
Showing his films in the den
Come on, come on
Soon you will be eighteen
I think you know what I mean
Don't tell your mama
Your daddy or mama
They'll never know where you been
CHORUS:
Everyone's gone to the movies
Now we're alone at last

Listen to what I say
He wants to show you the way
Right down the hallway with open arms
To teach you a new game to play
Come on, come on
Soon it will be too late
Bobbing for apples can wait
We know you're used to sixteen or more
Sorry we only have eight

CHORUS

Kids if you want some fun
See what you never have seen
Take off your cheaters and sit right down
Start the projection machine

CHORUS


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 17 2007 at 18:57
probably the best with hidden metaphor!Cool
 
true genius
 
pulp fiction
 
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 17 2007 at 19:00
Originally posted by DallasBryan DallasBryan wrote:

probably the best with hidden metaphor!Cool
 
true genius


exactly... Clap


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Pretzel Logic
Beauty will save the world.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 17 2007 at 19:09
Originally posted by Zappa88 Zappa88 wrote:

Pretzel Logic



I love that album..   the title track is in my top 5 fav SC songs...


pausing Teliof... and putting in Pretzel Logic.. good call Clap
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Originally posted by Zappa88 Zappa88 wrote:

Pretzel Logic



I love that album..   the title track is in my top 5 fav SC songs...


pausing Teliof... and putting in Pretzel Logic.. good call Clap
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 17 2007 at 19:12

ever listen to the best of Stealers Wheel? not bad, scotlands answer to CSN, a little more Steve Miller than Steely Dan, but some similarities. England? hmmm, Ray Davies(the Kinks) best is a bit tongue n' cheek! I love Demon Alcohol from Muswell Hillbillies, the Kinks greatest accomplishment to my yank ears!Wink



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Originally posted by DallasBryan DallasBryan wrote:

ever listen to the best of Stealers Wheel? not bad, scotlands answer to CSN, a little more Steve Miller than Steely Dan, but some similarities. England? hmmm, Ray Davies(the Kinks) best is a bit tongue n' cheek! I love Demon Alcohol from Muswell Hillbillies, the Kinks greatest accomplishment to my yank ears!Wink



the Kinks were one group that just never really did anything for me.  Have to admit only knowing one song by Stealers Wheel LOL Embarrassed
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