Best US President

video vertigo wrote: progismylife wrote: video vertigo wrote: progismylife wrote: video vertigo wrote: I'm surprised Ford is being voted for, he was the only president in history to never become elected president. He was the only president to never be elected for anything. And he did a good job considering he didn't really ask for it. Makes me glad Bush is alive and not going to be impeached or resign, he's not a good president but look who's next in line Who? the vice president is next in line to the president. Currently the vice president is Dick Cheney

Pray to God if they both go and good ol' Nancy Pelosi gets a chance to screw with the country even more than is currently being done

Arrrghus wrote: stonebeard wrote: Arrrghus wrote: The problem with liberals is that they don't get anything done. Conservatives get stuff done, but the stuff isn't always what's is best. On one hand, we have idealists, and the other we have people who get the job done. Frankly, we need a comprimise. That's why I'm a moderate. I think we need stuff done, but the wishy-washy nature of today's political correctness gets in the way. As my wise father says, "I will respect you in the work place and in economic endeavours, but I'll be damned if the color of your skin or whether or not you piss sitting down or standing up or what is your sexual preference give you an advantage over the next guy." My father is talking about the ridiculous need to overcompensate (affirmative action, anyone). Political correctness just gets in the way. You know why liberals haven't gotten "anything done" with the Bush administration? Because they've been in the minority in the House and Senate for 6 years. It's hard to get your agenda on the table when the other party dominates the process. And why did Republicans get stuff done? Because they were in control. What agenda? Even with power they're disorganized and trying as hard as they can to be dipsh*ts.

I'll give you an answer when you start to sound deserving of an answer (ie not calling people dipsh*ts).
    
    

Edited by stonebeard - January 02 2007 at 21:47

Arrrghus wrote: Along with John Paul, Gorbachev deserves a LOT of credit for ending the Cold War. (If anything, Reagan deserves very little credit at all).

Yes -- and Solidarity leader Lech Walesa in Poland, too. Don't forget him (and Polish unionism as a whole) -- he was very important in providing the pressures for Gorby to react to.

I liked the way Reagan had the courage and foresight to significantly reduce the US nuclear arsenal (and thus Russia's), though.

Don't know that I'd give John Paul much credit, as I recall. I'd shake the hands of Walesa and Gorbachev first.


Edited by Peter Rideout - January 03 2007 at 00:06

progismylife wrote: video vertigo wrote: I'm surprised Ford is being voted for, he was the only president in history to never become elected president. He was the only president to never be elected for anything. And he did a good job considering he didn't really ask for it.

I believe Ford was Speaker of the House before becoming President, so he was still an elected offical.

That said, some would say that the reason he had no ambition to become President was exactly why he was suited for the job.

"Why is the sea king of a hundred streams? Because it lies below them... If the sage would guide the people, he must serve with humility. If he would lead them, he must follow behind. In this way when the sage rules, the people will not feel oppressed..."

- Lao Tzu

My vote's for Eisenhower. In his farewell address to the nation in 1961, he warned about the growing danger of what he coined as the "military-industrial complex".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y06NSBBRtY

Dire words that should have been heeded, long ago.

from Wikipedia:

"In the penultimate draft of the address, Eisenhower initially used the term military-industrial-congressional complex, and thus indicated the essential role that U.S. Congress plays in the propagation of the military industry. But, it is said, that the president chose to strike the word congressional in order to placate members of the legislative branch of the federal government."






Edited by Empathy - January 03 2007 at 00:37

stonebeard wrote: Scapler wrote: Pray to God if they both go and good ol' Nancy Pelosi gets a chance to screw with the country even more than is currently being done     Are you just saying that because she's a democrat or because she would be a bad president? Back it up if the second option applies.

The second option, I don't care about your party if you do a good job (Thus Kennedy as my second choice)

Pelosi disagrees with me however. She talks about bi-partisanship, but what she really means is Democrats win while Republicans sit there looking useless. Pelosi would completly ignore any idea coming from any Conservative, it doesn't matter how good it is. Pelosi would ruin the Presidency by becoming the most selfish, partisan President in history. Her idea of politics isn't promoting good ideas, but just making everyone else's good ideas look like crap.

Arrrghus wrote: Peter Rideout wrote: Arrrghus wrote: Along with John Paul, Gorbachev deserves a LOT of credit for ending the Cold War. (If anything, Reagan deserves very little credit at all).      Yes -- and Solidarity leader Lech Walesa in Poland, too. Don't forget him (and Polish unionism as a whole) -- he was very important in providing the pressures for Gorby to react to.I liked the way Reagan had the courage and foresight to significantly reduce the US nuclear arsenal (and thus Russia's), though.Don't know that I'd give John Paul much credit, as I recall. I'd shake the hands of Walesa and Gorbachev first.      Oh! I've heard of him. Okay, I did some research... and you're absolutely right! Thanks!

Edited by Peter Rideout - January 03 2007 at 13:37

I've gone for Ike... a decidedly steading influence on US Economics during your post-war boom time of 1952-60, besides his significant contribution to the war...

JFK or Clinton.

  Clinton is better of course than   Bush daddy and   Bush baby,.... better than     Nixon and Reagan I want Hillarius  Clinton or Nancy Pelosi   for   president and Bush for   presid..iary

Edited by markosherrera - January 06 2007 at 02:10

Ah Clinton...what a cool dude