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Points: 1494 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 02 2007 at 23:56
What's the difference?

I liked the Ratts in the Capitol and some of the other sample songs. I haven't liked GYBE and Sigur Ros much (for me, the crescendos aren't worth the buildups, but I'm going to keep trying GYBE because they're so praised and it seems like I really should like them), but I like EitS (although I've only heard The Earth... and sometimes I can't stand that some of the songs, like The Only Moment We Were Along, don't ever really crescendo), 65daysofstatic, and Kayo Dot (who I know aren't really post-rock).

I haven't heard much other Post-Rock, and I just plain don't get Tortoise from what I've heard. I can almost see that there's something there, but it seems to be aimless noodling that never builds up to anything or even goes anywhere.

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Originally posted by chamberry chamberry wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Are Throbbing Gristle Post Rock?


I don't know since I haven't heard of them. If they have a myspace page for some streamable songs or a website then post it here so we can check them out.



I'm afraid they might be a little thing called 'industrial'. Great band for those who enjoy the likes of 'nurse with wound' styled bands. They made some quite (good) experimental albums during the late 70s early 80s (I would suggest '20 jazz funk greats' as a starting point) and have unfortunately been a very overlooked band from the early industrial scene.
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Originally posted by Black Velvet Black Velvet wrote:

Originally posted by chamberry chamberry wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Are Throbbing Gristle Post Rock?


I don't know since I haven't heard of them. If they have a myspace page for some streamable songs or a website then post it here so we can check them out.



I'm afraid they might be a little thing called 'industrial'. Great band for those who enjoy the likes of 'nurse with wound' styled bands. They made some quite (good) experimental albums during the late 70s early 80s (I would suggest '20 jazz funk greats' as a starting point) and have unfortunately been a very overlooked band from the early industrial scene.


Indeed.  Probably had some degree of influence on post-rock, but not really suitable for inclusion under that category (or on PA at all for that matter).
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Originally posted by Bryan Bryan wrote:

Originally posted by Black Velvet Black Velvet wrote:

Originally posted by chamberry chamberry wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Are Throbbing Gristle Post Rock?


I don't know since I haven't heard of them. If they have a myspace page for some streamable songs or a website then post it here so we can check them out.



I'm afraid they might be a little thing called 'industrial'. Great band for those who enjoy the likes of 'nurse with wound' styled bands. They made some quite (good) experimental albums during the late 70s early 80s (I would suggest '20 jazz funk greats' as a starting point) and have unfortunately been a very overlooked band from the early industrial scene.


Indeed.  Probably had some degree of influence on post-rock, but not really suitable for inclusion under that category (or on PA at all for that matter).

Ok guys, thanks, I won't suggest them then.Wink
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Originally posted by Ghandi 2 Ghandi 2 wrote:

What's the difference?

I liked the Ratts in the Capitol and some of the other sample songs. I haven't liked GYBE and Sigur Ros much (for me, the crescendos aren't worth the buildups, but I'm going to keep trying GYBE because they're so praised and it seems like I really should like them), but I like EitS (although I've only heard The Earth... and sometimes I can't stand that some of the songs, like The Only Moment We Were Along, don't ever really crescendo), 65daysofstatic, and Kayo Dot (who I know aren't really post-rock).

I haven't heard much other Post-Rock, and I just plain don't get Tortoise from what I've heard. I can almost see that there's something there, but it seems to be aimless noodling that never builds up to anything or even goes anywhere.


Based from the bands you already mentioned I think  Mr. Beast would be a best place to start. This album has a more normal feel as I mentioned in my review for it and that's because they don't use drones, weird effects and electronica sounds like in "Happy Songs...". Those are the things that gave the album a dreamy and surreal atmosphere and that's why I like it better. Mr. Beast on the other hand is more down to earth. It's still a very nice album with some exellent songs such as Glasgow Mega-Snake, Friend of the Night and my personal favorite, Travel is Dangerous.

Your choice.

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Ah, thanks, I think I will go with Mr. Beast. I have a somewhat strange question: is the packaging good? Since I haven't heard much Mogwai, I was planning on downloading it for free here. Usually I love packaging and lyric sheets and stuff: they can add a lot to the music, but I've been disappointed with the CD packaging I have had recently so I'm not sure if I should bother. The same goes for buying albums off iTunes: it would be cheaper for me to download Choirs of the Eye, but I might miss the artwork. On the other hand, the artwork for Dowsing... was pretty boring. Does anyone know what quality iTunes downloads encode at?

If anyone cares, I am planning on downloading: Lift Your Skinny Fists..., Mr. Beast, and Tanz Der Lemminge, which brings me to 20 downloads; I'm not sure what I'll do with the others. Maybe I'll download F#a#(infinity) or Faust just because I can, but I'm going to try to find something better. Unfortunately, their selection is not the best.

Haha, I can download Delirium Cordia as my final download. I'm not particularly interested in Patton, but it's such a value. :) (I get to keep the MP3s even after the trial)

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Honestly I was especting more on the packaging since it was a digipack and looked like it had a nice booklet, but the booklet only has zoom pictures of the front cover and back cover of the album. Nothing special really exept for one painting that really got my attention:



The DVD is a nice bonus too, but it's a bit boring at times. So you're not missing on anything good really except for the painting I posted.

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Points: 1494 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 03 2007 at 23:39
Yeah, that's why I'm wondering if I should stop bothering. It was always worth it for Pink Floyd (Storm pwns), but CDs with only the lyrics and one or two pictures are lame. I'm buying a physical thing instead of digital: please put some effort into the packaging beyond the cover!

I'll probably squeeze in F#a#(infinity) and Delirium Cordia (only because I'm cheating them out of 74 minutes of music :); it'll probably be too insane for me, but I'll try) as my final downloads. From what I've heard, Faust are probably a bit avant-garde for me to really enjoy anyway, even if I end up not being able to like GYBE. I do love their name.
Although I'm tempted by My Father, My King since it's so hard to find otherwise. I could always just make another trial account with another credit card. Mwhuhahahaha!    

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I haven't heard that EP/song, but it does look interesting. That last sentence you posted sounded like a great idea. Cool

Beware about Delirium Cordia and Faust (specially their debut). Delirium Cordia is more of an experience than an actual song and Faust... well it's Faust. Try and get So Far by Faust. It's their easiest to get into.

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700th post! Screw you, VR, I don't need your spam to get to a high post count! :P

Haha, I just read the reviews of Delirium Cordia, and I'm not touching that :). Dark and oppresive are one thing; listening to the sounds of surgery on someone awake is quite another.
So Mogwai it is!
I think Mike Patton needs someone to restrain him from his more insane endeavors, like looping 20 minutes of needle static. Or even better, let him get all that crap out and then force him to focus on a musical idea for more than 30 seconds so he can make something that's really good and listenable.

I think I'm more avant-garde than the average prog fan (although I've got nothing on some of you), but Why You Don't You Eat Carrots? is barely listenable. Sunshine Girl is a little more interesting, but eMusic doesn't have So Far, so I'm not going to even bother with it until Amon Duul II and maybe Can break me into the crazy world of Krautrock more.
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That would be safer. I started with Faust and I didn't like it at all. It also scarred me away from Krautrock. Months later I wanted to check Krautrock again and Can didn't do it for me either, too "motorik" like Faust. Amond Düüll II's Yeti was the breaking point and a I started to appreciate Can, Faust and other Krautrock bands after.

I'm not saying that it'll do the same, just telling my story.

I think Ash Ra Temple's debut might help you as well. It's only 2 songs so you can do the same as with Delirium Cordia. Wink

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Originally posted by chamberry chamberry wrote:

I haven't heard that EP/song, but it does look interesting. That last sentence you posted sounded like a great idea. Cool

Beware about Delirium Cordia and Faust (specially their debut). Delirium Cordia is more of an experience than an actual song and Faust... well it's Faust. Try and get So Far by Faust. It's their easiest to get into.

 
Ahhhhh......Delerium Cordia. That thing is like a 55 minute salvia trip in a demented hospital. Last 20 minutes are like the comedown. I love the album, but it's definitely not for everyone. You have to be able to accept that it's not really music. But it's quite a trip, especially in your room by your self with no lights on, headphones on full volume.
 
Faust are pretty awesome too. They're pretty much the prototype not only for industrial music, but pretty much all noise music and music that stretched the very definition of music. They were radical and their stuff still sounds ahead of it's time. Faust IV is a good starter.
 
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Aw, they don't have Ash Ra Temple. Or Faust IV. So I guess I'll just download the title track of Phallus Dei in addition to Tanz Der Lemminge just because I would have nothing else to use it on and all of Phallus Dei would be too many downloads.

Hey, this site has what appears to be all of My Father, My King streaming. Oh well, I'll still download it.
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did someone say...Krautrock?
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All which leads me into the next Post-rock recommendation, Cul De Sac

Fans of Can will drool over this band (I know I did).
They have like a mix of post-rock guitars (but more colorful sounding), a bit of ethnic influence in some of their melodies and songs and of course the clear Can influences. They aren't very original, but that doesn't mean they're bad. At the moment I have their debut and I can recomend it to everyone who likes Krautrock and Post-rock without being overly serious.

If I would rate their debut I think 3.5/5 would seem like a fair choice and for Can fans 4/5



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Originally posted by chamberry chamberry wrote:

All which leads me into the next Post-rock recommendation, Cul De Sac

Fans of Can will drool over this band (I know I did).
They have like a mix of post-rock guitars (but more colorful sounding), a bit of ethnic influence in some of their melodies and songs and of course the clear Can influences. They aren't very original, but that doesn't mean they're bad. At the moment I have their debut and I can recomend it to everyone who likes Krautrock and Post-rock without being overly serious.

If I would rate their debut I think 3.5/5 would seem like a fair choice and for Can fans 4/5

 
I'm pretty much a Can fan so I might check them out.
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    BOSCH'S WITH YOU

very good guitar-driven Post-Rock in Mono/EitS/even GYBE style.Highly recommended!!!
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I just wanted to tell everyone that I now like GYBE. I think the problem before was that I was listening to it on the computer and not headphones. Lift... is not an easily digestable album, but parts of She Dreamt... are absolutely brilliant.

Also, Mogwai rock, although I wish their singer would speak a little more clearly. Now I see where 65daysofstatic got some of their ideas (they are great, if they haven't already been brought up). And from what I've heard Amon Duul II rock too.

Go eMusic! Hell, I might actually sign up. Although their selection is limited, they have a pretty good Post-Rock collection, and $10 for 30 prog song downloads is a good deal. 75 for $20 is even better. I could get a lot of prog with 75 downloads...

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hallo experimentalists, I'm still waiting for my computer to come from the repair shop, otherwise I can't continue my journeys .

listened to every God Is An Astronaut only once, so I don't got the strongest impression left with that. The first is pretty "facile/mainstream hook" of more "post'd" rock, than actualy post rock. The second is the best and the EP steps are simple.
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Points: 944 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 07 2007 at 12:01
wooo wooo wait!!!

EITS has a new album, yeah!

I heard few song and it sound very good.
is any1 heard this album?
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