Best US President

Arrrghus wrote: micky wrote: Arrrghus wrote: How can you think Reagan is the best of these? He was not a great president. how can you ask that if you remember.. or know.. the state of this country in 1980      You have a point, but I still am not convinced that Reagan really should have held any power at all.

he brought this country together.. gave it pride and strengthened it at a time where ..well things really weren't so hot.  I do think he was a crook and should have been impeached for Iran-Contra and bypassing the laws of the country (anyone who knows anything about the military knows that Colonels.. even full bird.. are a dime a dozen at the Pentagon and have no real authority there.  Ollie North was authorized by someone HIGH up to do willingly ignore the laws of the land) ...but other than that and the financial train wreck he left his predessors to fix.. a damn fine President.  If you know my politics.. that is high praise indeed hahhaha. 

micky wrote: Bern wrote: Clinton wins because he's a good saxophonist  (I didn't vote) BERN!!!!! They let you out of the VR again hahahhah

MICKY!!!

No I've just been away from the site for a long time

I'm surprised Ford is being voted for, he was the only president in history to never become elected president.

video vertigo wrote: Arrrghus wrote: Scapler wrote: Arrrghus wrote: How can you think Reagan is the best of these? He was not a great president. Kennedy was the best, but he still doesn't measure up to Lincoln. Need I remeber Kennedy and Reagan are more similar in views than most of the people they worked with during their presidency? Plus, Reagan turned the entire economy around, after Carter left it to die in a pool of stagnant inflation and downswings. Sure, Reagan spent money, but this isn't a perfect world, and you have to spend money to get money. Plus, he avoided war with the USSR. If we had gone to war with them, millions upon millions of civilan and military lives would have been lost. By building up the arms race, Reagan forced the Soviets to spend almost all of their already dying budget on the military. This caused the USSR to lose so much money, their economy fell completly, and the Soviet Empire was effectively destroyed. If that is not brillance, I don't know what is(And Lincoln, for all he did for the country, really stomped on the liberties of the American people, he had many politicians jailed for speaking out against him)But he did do a good job, just wanted to share a view of Lincoln many people don't get You give too much credit to Reagan for preventing any war with the USSR. Gorbachev deserves more credit. So what if Lincoln did what he did. He was the last man who was a public servant and didn't serve himself (Kennedy had self-serving motives). Lincoln was more brilliant than any president except for Thomas Jefferson.           I agree with your 2nd statement, the first one is hard to agree with because so many factors went into the ending of the cold war Reagan was a factor so was Gorbachev I don't know who was a bigger one.

I'm not a fan of conservatives, so I'm a bit biased (don't get me wrong, I don't like many liberals either).
    

Of every president, I'll say Teddy Roosevelt was probably the best. Captured the frontier spirit and was an all-around likeable guy.

Arrrghus wrote: video vertigo wrote: Arrrghus wrote: Scapler wrote: Arrrghus wrote: How can you think Reagan is the best of these? He was not a great president. Kennedy was the best, but he still doesn't measure up to Lincoln. Need I remeber Kennedy and Reagan are more similar in views than most of the people they worked with during their presidency? Plus, Reagan turned the entire economy around, after Carter left it to die in a pool of stagnant inflation and downswings. Sure, Reagan spent money, but this isn't a perfect world, and you have to spend money to get money. Plus, he avoided war with the USSR. If we had gone to war with them, millions upon millions of civilan and military lives would have been lost. By building up the arms race, Reagan forced the Soviets to spend almost all of their already dying budget on the military. This caused the USSR to lose so much money, their economy fell completly, and the Soviet Empire was effectively destroyed. If that is not brillance, I don't know what is(And Lincoln, for all he did for the country, really stomped on the liberties of the American people, he had many politicians jailed for speaking out against him)But he did do a good job, just wanted to share a view of Lincoln many people don't get You give too much credit to Reagan for preventing any war with the USSR. Gorbachev deserves more credit. So what if Lincoln did what he did. He was the last man who was a public servant and didn't serve himself (Kennedy had self-serving motives). Lincoln was more brilliant than any president except for Thomas Jefferson.           I agree with your 2nd statement, the first one is hard to agree with because so many factors went into the ending of the cold war Reagan was a factor so was Gorbachev I don't know who was a bigger one. I'm not a fan of conservatives, so I'm a bit biased (don't get me wrong, I don't like many liberals either).

Your best Conservative friend cries
                                                                ^^^
                                                 (points)  SEEEEEEE!!!!!

Arrrghus wrote: video vertigo wrote: Arrrghus wrote: Scapler wrote: Arrrghus wrote: How can you think Reagan is the best of these? He was not a great president. Kennedy was the best, but he still doesn't measure up to Lincoln. Need I remeber Kennedy and Reagan are more similar in views than most of the people they worked with during their presidency? Plus, Reagan turned the entire economy around, after Carter left it to die in a pool of stagnant inflation and downswings. Sure, Reagan spent money, but this isn't a perfect world, and you have to spend money to get money. Plus, he avoided war with the USSR. If we had gone to war with them, millions upon millions of civilan and military lives would have been lost. By building up the arms race, Reagan forced the Soviets to spend almost all of their already dying budget on the military. This caused the USSR to lose so much money, their economy fell completly, and the Soviet Empire was effectively destroyed. If that is not brillance, I don't know what is(And Lincoln, for all he did for the country, really stomped on the liberties of the American people, he had many politicians jailed for speaking out against him)But he did do a good job, just wanted to share a view of Lincoln many people don't get You give too much credit to Reagan for preventing any war with the USSR. Gorbachev deserves more credit. So what if Lincoln did what he did. He was the last man who was a public servant and didn't serve himself (Kennedy had self-serving motives). Lincoln was more brilliant than any president except for Thomas Jefferson.           I agree with your 2nd statement, the first one is hard to agree with because so many factors went into the ending of the cold war Reagan was a factor so was Gorbachev I don't know who was a bigger one. I'm not a fan of conservatives, so I'm a bit biased (don't get me wrong, I don't like many liberals either).

great statement. Well I'm a registered Republican but only because I dislike democrats slightly more (although the current president changes everything) I tend to lean towards libertarianism. I think historically conservatives have screwed up slightly less than liberals (again the current president not included because he screws all my theories up)

Arrrghus wrote: stonebeard wrote: Of every president, I'll say Teddy Roosevelt was probably the best. Captured the frontier spirit and was an all-around likeable guy.      He's pretty cool, but what did he do for the country? That's the most important thing.

created the national park system he was probably the best environmentalist president. Definitely deserves his spot right here \/

The problem with liberals is that they don't get anything done. Conservatives get stuff done, but the stuff isn't always what's is best.

On one hand, we have idealists, and the other we have people who get the job done.

Frankly, we need a comprimise. That's why I'm a moderate. I think we need stuff done, but the wishy-washy nature of today's political correctness gets in the way. As my wise father says, "I will respect you in the work place and in economic endeavours, but I'll be damned if the color of your skin or whether or not you piss sitting down or standing up or what is your sexual preference give you an advantage over the next guy."

My father is talking about the ridiculous need to overcompensate (affirmative action, anyone). Political correctness just gets in the way.

progismylife wrote: video vertigo wrote: progismylife wrote: video vertigo wrote: I'm surprised Ford is being voted for, he was the only president in history to never become elected president. He was the only president to never be elected for anything. And he did a good job considering he didn't really ask for it. Makes me glad Bush is alive and not going to be impeached or resign, he's not a good president but look who's next in line Who?

the vice president is next in line to the president. Currently the vice president is Dick Cheney