Best US President

Arrrghus wrote: Scapler wrote: Arrrghus wrote: How can you think Reagan is the best of these? He was not a great president. Kennedy was the best, but he still doesn't measure up to Lincoln. Need I remeber Kennedy and Reagan are more similar in views than most of the people they worked with during their presidency? Plus, Reagan turned the entire economy around, after Carter left it to die in a pool of stagnant inflation and downswings. Sure, Reagan spent money, but this isn't a perfect world, and you have to spend money to get money. Plus, he avoided war with the USSR. If we had gone to war with them, millions upon millions of civilan and military lives would have been lost. By building up the arms race, Reagan forced the Soviets to spend almost all of their already dying budget on the military. This caused the USSR to lose so much money, their economy fell completly, and the Soviet Empire was effectively destroyed. If that is not brillance, I don't know what is(And Lincoln, for all he did for the country, really stomped on the liberties of the American people, he had many politicians jailed for speaking out against him)But he did do a good job, just wanted to share a view of Lincoln many people don't get You give too much credit to Reagan for preventing any war with the USSR. Gorbachev deserves more credit. So what if Lincoln did what he did. He was the last man who was a public servant and didn't serve himself (Kennedy had self-serving motives). Lincoln was more brilliant than any president except for Thomas Jefferson.

    
I agree with your 2nd statement, the first one is hard to agree with because so many factors went into the ending of the cold war Reagan was a factor so was Gorbachev I don't know who was a bigger one.

Scapler wrote: Arrrghus wrote: How can you think Reagan is the best of these? He was not a great president. Kennedy was the best, but he still doesn't measure up to Lincoln. Need I remeber Kennedy and Reagan are more similar in views than most of the people they worked with during their presidency? Plus, Reagan turned the entire economy around, after Carter left it to die in a pool of stagnant inflation and downswings. Sure, Reagan spent money, but this isn't a perfect world, and you have to spend money to get money. Plus, he avoided war with the USSR. If we had gone to war with them, millions upon millions of civilan and military lives would have been lost. By building up the arms race, Reagan forced the Soviets to spend almost all of their already dying budget on the military. This caused the USSR to lose so much money, their economy fell completly, and the Soviet Empire was effectively destroyed. If that is not brillance, I don't know what is(And Lincoln, for all he did for the country, really stomped on the liberties of the American people, he had many politicians jailed for speaking out against him)But he did do a good job, just wanted to share a view of Lincoln many people don't get

You give too much credit to Reagan for preventing any war with the USSR. Gorbachev deserves more credit.

So what if Lincoln did what he did. He was the last man who was a public servant and didn't serve himself (Kennedy had self-serving motives). Lincoln was more brilliant than any president except for Thomas Jefferson.
    

Bern wrote: Clinton wins because he's a good saxophonist  (I didn't vote)

BERN!!!!! They let you out of the VR again hahahhah

clinton play sax,and the others?

Reagan also wasn't the best governor for California, either.

However, I do respect some of the things he did for the enviornment.

Arrrghus wrote: How can you think Reagan is the best of these? He was not a great president. Kennedy was the best, but he still doesn't measure up to Lincoln.

Need I remeber Kennedy and Reagan are more similar in views than most of the people they worked with during their presidency? Plus, Reagan turned the entire economy around, after Carter left it to die in a pool of stagnant inflation and downswings. Sure, Reagan spent money, but this isn't a perfect world, and you have to spend money to get money.
Plus, he avoided war with the USSR. If we had gone to war with them, millions upon millions of civilan and military lives would have been lost. By building up the arms race, Reagan forced the Soviets to spend almost all of their already dying budget on the military. This caused the USSR to lose so much money, their economy fell completly, and the Soviet Empire was effectively destroyed. If that is not brillance, I don't know what is

(And Lincoln, for all he did for the country, really stomped on the liberties of the American people, he had many politicians jailed for speaking out against him)But he did do a good job, just wanted to share a view of Lincoln many people don't get

Esoteric...

micky wrote: Arrrghus wrote: How can you think Reagan is the best of these? He was not a great president. how can you ask that if you remember.. or know.. the state of this country in 1980

    

You have a point, but I still am not convinced that Reagan really should have held any power at all.

micky wrote: for Micky... between Reagan and Clinton...for much the same reason... ABILITY TO COMPROMISE and work with the other party. Reagan  like many Republicans paid lip-service to the wackos on the right.. Clinton to those on the left. Could bore everyone with my opinions on each for pages hahahha.edge to Clinton.. balancing a budget edges out voodoo economics.  Reagan gets too much credit for ending the Cold War.. Communism was a morally bankrupt system IN PRACTICE and was bound to fail, and Pope John Paul deserves the real credit for engineering or speeding up it's demise. For those who consider Clinton weak militarily.  Remember his audacious action on Bosnia, while Europe and the GOP Congress fiddled around.. for those who think of Somalia and equate it with him being weak... remember Reagan's handling of Beirut.

Along with John Paul, Gorbachev deserves a LOT of credit for ending the Cold War. (If anything, Reagan deserves very little credit at all).
    

Reagan by process of elimination. Nixon would be because he accomplished a lot but was a crook (but then again who wasn't on this list.)
Bush wasn't too bad either (not W) he had potential to do some good things in a second term (damn Ross Perot!)
    

Edited by video vertigo - January 02 2007 at 20:22