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Poll Question: In your opinion whivh was/is the worst in the last 40 years
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Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Airline conveiniences? Sure, go ahead. But giving the government a free pass at tapping "as many phone lines as they want" is sickening? Come on, is it worth is to take so many steps toward a police state to try and prevent something that, if people are determined enough, is very, very hard if not impossible to completely stop. Terrorism is NOT going away.


Sickening? You want to see sickening then refer to my last post and take a good look at the picture. It's been over 5 years, but still feels like yesterday. I'll never get over it...and I shouldn't.

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Airline conveiniences? Sure, go ahead. But giving the government a free pass at tapping "as many phone lines as they want" is sickening! Come on, is it worth is to take so many steps toward a police state to try and prevent something that, if people are determined enough, is very, very hard if not impossible to completely stop. Terrorism is NOT going away.
    

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If another attack like this can be avoided on American soil, then they can tap all the phones lines and inconvenience as many airline passengers as they please. I'm American. I've also been questioned and had to go through metal detectors in my stocking feet.

Have we forgotten this already?

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I'd like to answer Stonie's question about the view Europeans have of the US. Unfortunately, I have to admit there is quite a lot of hostility in Europe (especially in Italy, where I live) towards the US - both for its current politics and, at least in the case of my own country, for the influence they have had on our political life over the last 60-odd years. Personally, I have to say I don't find it totally unmotivated. Just a couple of hours ago I read on an Italian newspaper's website that US authorities will have access to the personal data of all European passengers traveling to the US through their e-mail addresses and credit card numbers. Moreover, when I got to Washington less than two weeks ago, I was bluntly asked by the immigration officer why I was entering the country. This is something that had never happened to me before, and sure didn't please me a little bit - especially as I've brought money to spend and am doing no harm to anyone.
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Originally posted by progismylife progismylife wrote:

Originally posted by E-Dub E-Dub wrote:

Originally posted by progismylife progismylife wrote:

Lincoln is a hero. He tried to keep the country together when it was falling apart and he was releasing slaves. I bet the civil rights movement would have happened a lot sooner if Lincoln wasn't killed.


Totally agree. The Discovery Channel had Reagan as the greatest American ever, with Lincoln in second. Sorry, but whoever came up with that conclusion is on something. Lincoln is America, in my opinion.

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Regan was okay but he sold weapons to Iran!! That is one of the stupidest things ever done!
 
right up there with clinton giving nulear reactors to north korea, kennedy getting the usa involved in vietnam and bush, jr. opening a bag of rold's golds
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Originally posted by E-Dub E-Dub wrote:

Originally posted by progismylife progismylife wrote:

Lincoln is a hero. He tried to keep the country together when it was falling apart and he was releasing slaves. I bet the civil rights movement would have happened a lot sooner if Lincoln wasn't killed.


Totally agree. The Discovery Channel had Reagan as the greatest American ever, with Lincoln in second. Sorry, but whoever came up with that conclusion is on something. Lincoln is America, in my opinion.

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Regan was okay but he sold weapons to Iran!! That is one of the stupidest things ever done!
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Originally posted by Chus Chus wrote:

Is there a reason why USA under Bush's administration removed their signature from the Roman Statute that aproved the International Penal Court?

I'm talking about the Government obviously.. nothing against the northamericans
    

    

^^ this might be a key in our "hatred" toward Bush.. that's one of the things which has been talked about... You think we just enjoy hating the US?.. do you think people from other countries just happen to envy the US power? I never had a problem with Clinton as far as international policies are concerned (at least that I know of)... but it's Bush I particularly despise... well let me make an argument regarding that unanswered question:

-Bush knew he would hold international responsabilities after the war (countless iraquis killed).. he wanted to remove a signature from the Roman Statute (first anomaly) so he would not be charged.

Quote After 50 years of expectations and discussions, in 1998 the United Nations approved the Rome Statute, establishing the International Criminal Court (ICC) as an independent and permanent body committed to judge crimes against humanity.

The Statute, besides creating the ICC, classifies the most serious crimes against human rights and establishes procedures for penal prosecution in such cases. As a consequence, the signatory States are committed to amending internally their penal laws and procedures, in order to fulfil this new obligation, and to developing measures to control, prevent and combat any criminal attacks on fundamental rights.

The ICC entered into force on 1 July 2002. The ratification was made possible in April that year, after a group of 10 countries -including Bosnia, Cambodia, Ireland, Mongolia and Romania- signed the treaty during a ceremony at the UN headquarters, in New York, taking the total number of ratifications to 66 at that time.

The signature of at least 60 countries was required in order to approve the treaty. However, many important states have failed to sign or ratify the agreement, including the United States, China and Russia. Shortly before the entry into force of the Rome Statute, the US launched a full-scale multi-pronged campaign against the International Criminal Court, claiming that the ICC may initiate politically-motivated prosecutions against its nationals.

The ICC is a complementary organism to national justice systems, and only has authority in cases where a State cannot or does not want to judge people charged with the crimes. The Rome Statute establishes the penal responsibility of troop commanders or heads of State who commit crimes against humanity, including military or political leaders of guerrilla or informal groups that attack civil populations in non-international conflicts.

In 2004, ICC Chief Prosecutor Luis Moreno Ocampo formally announced the beginning of investigations on the Democratic Republic of Congo and Uganda.

As of 1 November 2006, there are 139 signatories and 104 States Parties (ratifications).

taken from http://www.choike.org/nuevo_eng/informes/73.html



that excuse "the ICC may initiate politically-motivated prosecutions against its nationals" is very vague... prosecutions due to what?

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Originally posted by progismylife progismylife wrote:

Lincoln is a hero. He tried to keep the country together when it was falling apart and he was releasing slaves. I bet the civil rights movement would have happened a lot sooner if Lincoln wasn't killed.


Totally agree. The Discovery Channel had Reagan as the greatest American ever, with Lincoln in second. Sorry, but whoever came up with that conclusion is on something. Lincoln is America, in my opinion.

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Lincoln is a hero. He tried to keep the country together when it was falling apart and he was releasing slaves. I bet the civil rights movement would have happened a lot sooner if Lincoln wasn't killed.
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Originally posted by progismylife progismylife wrote:


Originally posted by E-Dub E-Dub wrote:

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Where are all the good US Presidents? It seems all the ones in the past century have been horrible except FDR.


Although it was the mid 1800's, there will never be another president like Lincoln. You want to study a man of integrity and pure honesty, he was the blueprint.

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I wonder what would have happened if Lincoln wasn't assassinated.


Simply imagine the pressure he was under while the country was torn by the Civil War. I can't even begin to fathom it.

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Originally posted by progismylife progismylife wrote:


Originally posted by E-Dub E-Dub wrote:

To be honest, I'm saddened whenever I hear about another soldier being blown up by a car bomb and I'm ready to get them out of there. That being said, what should the United States have done after 9/11? I mean we had to do something and it was proven that Hussein was working with Bin Laden. My biggest concern is he's still on the loose. It just all seems to be a vicious cycle, though. As I've said before, there are a lot of psychotics who simply enjoy blowing stuff up. Say what you will about the Japanese, but at least they had enough guts to come after our military and not innocent civilians.

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Who isn't saddened? The US tackled too big of a problem. They should have dealt with Saddam in the early '90s when he invaded Kuwait. They also should have made Afghanistan stable before sending troops elsewhere.


You're so right. How we pulled out with him still in power was a huge mistake.

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Originally posted by E-Dub E-Dub wrote:

Originally posted by progismylife progismylife wrote:

Where are all the good US Presidents? It seems all the ones in the past century have been horrible except FDR.


Although it was the mid 1800's, there will never be another president like Lincoln. You want to study a man of integrity and pure honesty, he was the blueprint.

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I wonder what would have happened if Lincoln wasn't assassinated.
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Originally posted by Geck0 Geck0 wrote:

I can't see Hillary getting one (for obvious reasons).

Anyhow, keep it clean guys!




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Originally posted by E-Dub E-Dub wrote:

To be honest, I'm saddened whenever I hear about another soldier being blown up by a car bomb and I'm ready to get them out of there. That being said, what should the United States have done after 9/11? I mean we had to do something and it was proven that Hussein was working with Bin Laden. My biggest concern is he's still on the loose. It just all seems to be a vicious cycle, though. As I've said before, there are a lot of psychotics who simply enjoy blowing stuff up. Say what you will about the Japanese, but at least they had enough guts to come after our military and not innocent civilians.

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Who isn't saddened? Cry


The US tackled too big of a problem. They should have dealt with Saddam in the early '90s when he invaded Kuwait. They also should have made Afghanistan stable before sending troops elsewhere.
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Originally posted by progismylife progismylife wrote:

Where are all the good US Presidents? It seems all the ones in the past century have been horrible except FDR.


Although it was the mid 1800's, there will never be another president like Lincoln. You want to study a man of integrity and pure honesty, he was the blueprint.

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I can't see Hillary getting one (for obvious reasons).

Anyhow, keep it clean guys!
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To be honest, I'm saddened whenever I hear about another soldier being blown up by a car bomb and I'm ready to get them out of there. That being said, what should the United States have done after 9/11? I mean we had to do something and it was proven that Hussein was working with Bin Laden. My biggest concern is he's still on the loose. It just all seems to be a vicious cycle, though. As I've said before, there are a lot of psychotics who simply enjoy blowing stuff up. Say what you will about the Japanese, but at least they had enough guts to come after our military and not innocent civilians.

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The USA will have another good president when they have someone who can kep a budget in order instead of spending tons of money.

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Indeed, I quite liked Clinton too, but when will the US have another President even close to his standard?

I thought Jimmy Carter was held in high esteem?  I don't know anything about him or his policies, but people seem to say he was the last "good" President the US had.


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Where are all the good US Presidents? It seems all the ones in the past century have been horrible except FDR.
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