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TRoTZ 
Prog Reviewer 
Joined: December 25 2004 Location: Portugal Status: Offline Points: 35 |
 Posted: December 26 2006 at 10:02 |
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For what is shown, there are clearly two main opinions regarding the album, both with several supports, particularly official prog reviewers. Both ones explain their point of views clearly and are acceptable in my view. The different points of view have to be with the definition of progressive rock each has. We have to respect them all.
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raindance
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Joined: May 24 2005 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 443 |
Posted: December 26 2006 at 10:10 |
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After initially not likeing Paradox Hotel, I now find it an excellent album. The material really does come across very strong in a concert setting! Let's be honest, I can't think of any other band that made flawless albums except YES. |
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The Wizard
Prog Reviewer
Joined: July 18 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 7341 |
Posted: December 26 2006 at 10:14 |
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MikeEnRegalia
Special Collaborator 
Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Online Points: 21206 |
Posted: December 26 2006 at 10:14 |
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The Wizard
Prog Reviewer
Joined: July 18 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 7341 |
Posted: December 26 2006 at 10:18 |
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A very nice review!
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TRoTZ
Prog Reviewer
Joined: December 25 2004 Location: Portugal Status: Offline Points: 35 |
Posted: December 26 2006 at 10:19 |
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Congratulations.
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Snow Dog
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 23 2005 Location: Caerdydd Status: Offline Points: 32995 |
Posted: December 26 2006 at 10:20 |
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MikeEnRegalia
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Online Points: 21206 |
Posted: December 26 2006 at 10:21 |
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Jared
Forum Senior Member
Joined: May 06 2005 Location: Hereford, UK Status: Offline Points: 19499 |
Posted: December 26 2006 at 10:21 |
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'hours' doesn't have an 'e' on the end, Mike..
 seriously, I don't know whether you can get away with writing a review for an prog album after only 3 listens covering such a short period of time....
 but you're most probably right in your conclusions...
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Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson
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MikeEnRegalia
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Online Points: 21206 |
Posted: December 26 2006 at 10:27 |
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^ no - I listened to the album a few months ago, then again last month, and yesterday, when I rated the album on my website ... there was plenty of time for the music to "sink in".
BTW: I think that you don't need to listen to an album over and over again to be "qualified" to review it. For me the first impression of something is as valuable as the impression of someone who knows the album in and out ... after all, the more you listen to something, the more you become accustomed to it - and that can cloud your judgement as much as when you're unfamiliar with something. But of course it's important to let the reader know how familiar you are with the album - then they can decide whether the information is useful for them or not.  Edited by MikeEnRegalia - December 26 2006 at 10:28 |
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The Wizard
Prog Reviewer
Joined: July 18 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 7341 |
Posted: December 26 2006 at 10:30 |
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I listened to it about 10 times over a period of a month.
Every time after the first was strictly for 'reviewing purposes'.
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MikeEnRegalia
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Online Points: 21206 |
Posted: December 26 2006 at 10:34 |
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Man, do something worthwhile with your spare time! |
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The Wizard
Prog Reviewer
Joined: July 18 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 7341 |
Posted: December 26 2006 at 10:41 |
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Yeah, I wasted all that precious summer time on that album only so I could write a review on it that would make people hate me.
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MikeEnRegalia
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Online Points: 21206 |
Posted: December 26 2006 at 10:46 |
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^ seriously ... don't you think that listening to an album that you dislike on first listen 9 more times might have multiplied your negative reaction? I mean, of course I know that sometimes it takes many repeated listens until you can fully grasp an album, but these listening sessions really not only increase your knowledge, but also alter your perception of the album.
When I don't like an album on first listen, I usually submit a preliminary rating on my website (marked "First listen") and then put the album away for a month or two. And then I might pick it up again ... or not. Life is too short to waste it on listening to music you don't like! Edited by MikeEnRegalia - December 26 2006 at 10:48 |
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salmacis
Forum Senior Member
Content Addition Joined: April 10 2005 Status: Offline Points: 3928 |
Posted: December 26 2006 at 10:53 |
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I found 'Paradox Hotel' to be the most accessible album I've heard of theirs. It has very little filler, imo, which is a bit of a rarity for them. When I get around to reviewing it, it would definitely be a 4 star album- interestingly, I also prefer the maligned 'Adam and Eve' to 'Unfold The Future', too.
I think 1 stars is a bit strong, but otherwise The Wizard's review isn't what I'd call a 'bad review'. |
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The Wizard
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Joined: July 18 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 7341 |
Posted: December 26 2006 at 10:54 |
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Really the reason I listened to the album so many times was becuase I wanted to figure out what exactly was wrong with it. When I listened to it sounded awful and I gave a negatve reaction, but I couldn't exactly put my finger on why at first.
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Zitro
Prog Reviewer
Joined: July 11 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1321 |
Posted: December 26 2006 at 17:41 |
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Hey, I think Wizards review is not bad at all, even if I disagree with
it. I think Paradox Hotel is one of their best (if not their best)
album and I would give it 4.5 stars.
Some well-written negative reviews on highly praised albums can be quite influential in purchasing an album. I wrote one for "passion Play" with I think I gave it 1.5 stars and later someone wrote an excellently detailed negative review on that album a day or two ago and I loved reading about the "hare that lost its spectacles" which for me is IMHO horrible stuff and negative comments about it are needed. Hey, I could give a 2-star album for that argus album which doesn't interest me at all and as long as I write the reasons why I don't like it, it's not a bad review. It's hard to believe that the accessibly and melodically strong paradox hotel would get a 1-star well-written review, but everyone has different tastes. Edited by Zitro - December 26 2006 at 17:42 |
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MikeEnRegalia
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Online Points: 21206 |
Posted: December 26 2006 at 19:33 |
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^ it's just boring and un-inspired for me ... I don't think that there's a way to say this in a nice and eloquent way. At least for the negative reviews I try to make it quick and painless ...
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Flip_Stone
Forum Senior Member
Joined: August 11 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 388 |
Posted: December 29 2006 at 16:50 |
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I've only heard Adam and Eve, which sounds very bland to my ears. I don't hear anything new or original, but sadly, recycled music with an updated polished sound. And the singer tries way too hard to sound dramatic, overemphasizing his words and oversinging in the process.
And what's up with this desire to have enormously long albums and songs? Quantity doesn't necessarily equal quality.
I'm really not trying to be mean or overly critical - and that album may not represent them well - but surely they can do better.
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elpprogster
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Joined: January 02 2005 Location: Portugal Status: Offline Points: 463 |
Posted: December 29 2006 at 18:04 |
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The only Flower Kings album I listen with pleasure is Alive on Planet Earth |
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