The Atheist Thread

Heavyfreight wrote: I feel sorry for those who have faith in a god because this means that they have no faith in themselves or humanity. They need to believe that the world is someone else's fault, not theirs or their fellow humans'.

This is so true, though many religious people get offended at this argument. Two main purposes of religion were to organize people and give them ultimate fear of a supreme being to keep them in order, and second - to have a God to complain to and to blame for their mistakes and misfortunes, as well is to ask for stuff. "If I am good and never sin I will go to heaven" - the most powerful way to prevent a person from doing anything out of line!

I am responsible enough to blame myself for crap that happens to me and instead of going to church and praying for something, I actually do something to get it. That's why I'm an atheist.

Everyone must read The Gadfly by E. L. Voynich, it caused me to become an atheist 6 years ago. More like triggered, I was already coming to my senses around that time

Wise words.

oliverstoned wrote:       Her's our idol:

   
i bow down and pay homage to the great god "toob"..

The Miracle wrote: This is so true, though many religious people get offended at this argument. Two main purposes of religion were to organize people and give them ultimate fear of a supreme being to keep them in order, and second - to have a God to complain to and to blame for their mistakes and misfortunes, as well is to ask for stuff. "If I am good and never sin I will go to heaven" - the most powerful way to prevent a person from doing anything out of line! I am responsible enough to blame myself for crap that happens to me and instead of going to church and praying for something, I actually do something to get it. That's why I'm an atheist.

    
A totally wrong view of Christianity. Most religions in the world rely too much on human willpower saying if you want to be good don't sin. That is impossible. Everybody sins, EVERYBODY (except Jesus - he being the son of God and all that jazz). Even the apostles who knew Jesus even struggled with sin. The bible recognises this and that is why Jesus is such a great savior. We can be assured that are actions have been forgiven by God and we can go to heaven. But that doesn't nullify the consequences. A murderer can become a Christian but they still need to be punished for what they did.

And about the praying for stuff and it doesn't happen that is an esy answer. "You do not have, because you do not ask God. When you ask, you do not receive, because you ask with wrong motives that you may spend what you get on your pleasures." (James 4:2-3). People pray for stuff and don't get it because they are acting selfish and will not acknowledge God. Hey you want to hear an interesting story? My dad (when we werer in the process of moving and had no income) wanted an iPod so he could listen to sermons from past preachers. So he prayed about because he did not want to spend money on it but would have liked one for the reason mentioned above. A few hours later, my dad's friend (who lived 700 miles away) called him up and asked if he had an ipod because he had been given 4 30 GB ipods with 4 days worth of sermons from great pastors. SO he gave one to my dad.
    

Edited by progismylife - December 29 2006 at 16:12

INFINITE REGRESSION FOR ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Geck0 wrote: Ben, since when has Jesus been God?  I thought he was the son of God?

    
Trinity, 3 into 1. Explains it all.

All?  It's just one aetheist. 

Here I go again on my own...

The Miracle wrote: Heavyfreight wrote: I feel sorry for those who have faith in a god because this means that they have no faith in themselves or humanity. They need to believe that the world is someone else's fault, not theirs or their fellow humans'. This is so true, though many religious people get offended at this argument. Two main purposes of religion were to organize people and give them ultimate fear of a supreme being to keep them in order, and second - to have a God to complain to and to blame for their mistakes and misfortunes, as well is to ask for stuff. "If I am good and never sin I will go to heaven" - the most powerful way to prevent a person from doing anything out of line! I am responsible enough to blame myself for crap that happens to me and instead of going to church and praying for something, I actually do something to get it. That's why I'm an atheist. Everyone must read The Gadfly by E. L. Voynich, it caused me to become an atheist 6 years ago. More like triggered, I was already coming to my senses around that time

progismylife wrote: A totally wrong view of Christianity. Most religions in the world rely too much on human willpower saying if you want to be good don't sin. That is impossible. Everybody sins, EVERYBODY (except Jesus - he being the son of God and all that jazz). Even the apostles who knew Jesus even struggled with sin. The bible recognises this and that is why Jesus is such a great savior. We can be assured that are actions have been forgiven by God and we can go to heaven. But that doesn't nullify the consequences. A murderer can become a Christian but they still need to be punished for what they did.

Well duh, everyone does sin but they feel guilty about it and try to do as little about as possible and then try to get their little sing forgiven. They know the punishment is waiting. They're afraid of the ultimate law - you can get away from cops but you will be punished by God after death: the most powerful control factor ever invented! If no religion, simple people would kill and steal without feeling bad and that would be awful. This applies to all major religions, they all have a holy book with a set of rules that does better job of keeping people in line than all police in the world. Even Satanism has that(read the list of satanic sins - reasonable and intelligent! I wouldn't be against reading the satanic bible for education purposes)

progismylife wrote: And about the praying for stuff and it doesn't happen that is an esy answer. "You do not have, because you do not ask God. When you ask, you do not receive, because you ask with wrong motives that you may spend what you get on your pleasures." (James 4:2-3). People pray for stuff and don't get it because they are acting selfish and will not acknowledge God. Hey you want to hear an interesting story? My dad (when we werer in the process of moving and had no income) wanted an iPod so he could listen to sermons from past preachers. So he prayed about because he did not want to spend money on it but would have liked one for the reason mentioned above. A few hours later, my dad's friend (who lived 700 miles away) called him up and asked if he had an ipod because he had been given 4 30 GB ipods with 4 days worth of sermons from great pastors. SO he gave one to my dad.

It gives people hope, and that's the point. Also when they do something wrong they can say God punished them so they let it go easier. It also gives them hope for better future: "God is with me" - the most powerful comforting factor ever.

That's a nice story but sorry it's a coincidence