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Ok boys and girls, here is a variation on the US presidents thread, with a slightly more positive gloss...
 
...who do you think has been the finest British PM over the past 100 years, and why???
 
Personally, my vote goes to Clement Attlee for setting up the welfare state in an attempt to slay the 5 social giants... "want, disease, squalor, ignorance and idleness"... for me, a great man coming to power at the right time...Clap
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Churchill. A great wartime leader.
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well, this one was a really popular poll....LOL
 
 
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Well I'm sure to be the only one who votes for Major.

land of pink & GREY.

PM responisble for engaging republicanism and bringing them into NI peace process: that was a problem more intractable than nazi germany IMHO & one that was common to all the previous PMs.
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Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Churchill. A great wartime leader.


Second that...
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Originally posted by obiter obiter wrote:

Well I'm sure to be the only one who votes for Major.

land of pink & GREY.

PM responisble for engaging republicanism and bringing them into NI peace process: that was a problem more intractable than nazi germany IMHO & one that was common to all the previous PMs.


Churchill inspired a whole nation. He was the leader that Hitler feared. He's not just the greatest PM..he's the greatest Briton!
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Who voted for Clement Atlee as well, the NHS was a true masterstroke. Churchill was an inspiring figure but it goes a bit far to call him the greatest briton. For one thing he was responsible for the disaster of Gallipoli. Furthermore he was not a particularly good peace time leader.

   Who voted for Margaret Thatcher, one of the worst prime ministers this country has ever seen. She ruined the economy e.g. Mining and sold off all of the national assets railroads etc. She was also responsible for the Falkland wars which were a disgrace.
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Originally posted by Psychedelia Psychedelia wrote:

 Churchill was an inspiring figure but it goes a bit far to call him the greatest briton. For one thing he was responsible for the disaster of Gallipoli. Furthermore he was not a particularly good peace time leader.




Calling Churchill the greatest Briton doesn't go too far in the least. I from memory serves me correectly, he won that title ina national poll a few years ago.

Calling him responsible for Gallipoli is going too far though, when it is proven thhat it was bad leadership in the field (or well behind it) that was at faullt, and he wasn't PM at the time!

And wether he was a good peactime leader is irrelevant compared to what he did for this country in WW2!
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Atlee was the best 'social engineer' (wasn't the NHS established on his watch?)with an honary mention to Churchill for getting us through the war of course.

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Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelia Psychedelia wrote:

 Churchill was an inspiring figure but it goes a bit far to call him the greatest briton. For one thing he was responsible for the disaster of Gallipoli. Furthermore he was not a particularly good peace time leader.




Calling Churchill the greatest Briton doesn't go too far in the least. I from memory serves me correectly, he won that title ina national poll a few years ago.

Calling him responsible for Gallipoli is going too far though, when it is proven thhat it was bad leadership in the field (or well behind it) that was at faullt, and he wasn't PM at the time!

And wether he was a good peactime leader is irrelevant compared to what he did for this country in WW2!
 
I'm sorry Snowie, but Churchill had to take the wrap for Gallipoli; he was defence secretary, and it was almost entirely his plan, which was why he was dismissed in 1915.  When he was trying to get back into parliament in the early 20's by standing in as a Tory candidate in the North East, he was booed out of the hall by a hostile crowd who incessantly shouted 'What about Gallipoli'... he had to leave the hall without getting a word in edgeways, and was pelted with vegetables, never to return.... feelings against him ran that high at the time...
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Originally posted by fandango fandango wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelia Psychedelia wrote:

 Churchill was an inspiring figure but it goes a bit far to call him the greatest briton. For one thing he was responsible for the disaster of Gallipoli. Furthermore he was not a particularly good peace time leader.




Calling Churchill the greatest Briton doesn't go too far in the least. I from memory serves me correectly, he won that title ina national poll a few years ago.

Calling him responsible for Gallipoli is going too far though, when it is proven thhat it was bad leadership in the field (or well behind it) that was at faullt, and he wasn't PM at the time!

And wether he was a good peactime leader is irrelevant compared to what he did for this country in WW2!
 
I'm sorry Snowie, but Churchill had to take the wrap for Gallipoli; he was defence secretary, and it was almost entirely his plan, which was why he was dismissed in 1915.  When he was trying to get back into parliament in the early 20's by standing in as a Tory candidate in the North East, he was booed out of the hall by a hostile crowd who incessantly shouted 'What about Gallipoli'... he had to leave the hall without getting a word in edgeways, and was pelted with vegetables, never to return.... feelings against him ran that high at the time...


Whatever Jared, this poll is about greatest PM, not pre PM life. No?Big smile

In 1915, Churchill was one of the political and military engineers of the disastrous Gallipoli landings on the Dardanelles during World War I. Churchill took much of the blame for the fiasco, but those responsible for the fiasco were actually the tactical commanders of the opening engagements.


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^^I agree, its about the poll is about the 'PM' part of his life;

I'm not going to get into a wrangle with you over Gallipoli, but it's just that I think you have a slightly too rosy view of someone who showed brilliance in our hour of need, but was otherwise a deeply flawed character...

also, it appears that with your coloured lettering, you've gone all Peter Rideout on me...LOL
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I voted for Churchill,
I think there is a part from one of his speeches that opens up Iron Maiden´s Live after Death.
"We will defend our Island, whatever the cost may be
 We will never surrender!"


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I also voted for Churchill. 
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Originally posted by WaywardSon WaywardSon wrote:

I voted for Churchill,
I think there is a part from one of his speeches that opens up Iron Maiden´s Live after Death.
"We will defend our Island, whatever the cost
 We will never surrender!"
 
er, yes.. something like that.. Steve Harris was his speech writer at the time...Wink
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Originally posted by fandango fandango wrote:

Ok boys and girls, here is a variation on the US presidents thread, with a slightly more positive gloss...
 

...who do you think has been the finest British PM over the past 100 years, and why???

 

Personally, my vote goes to Clement Attlee for setting up the welfare state in an attempt to slay the 5 social giants... "want, disease, squalor, ignorance and idleness"... for me, a great man coming to power at the right time...[IMG]height=17 alt=Clap src="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif" width=18 align=absMiddle>



      Agreed - Tony B.Liar's continuation of Mrs Thatcher's attempts to undo all that Attlee's government achieved has been almost as depressing as his foreign policy.
'Like so many of you
I've got my doubts about how much to contribute
to the already rich among us...'

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Originally posted by Syzygy Syzygy wrote:

 
      Agreed - Tony B.Liar's continuation of Mrs Thatcher's attempts to undo all that Attlee's government achieved has been almost as depressing as his foreign policy.
 
yes... the irony is that privatisation has continued apace under Blair, only matched for speed by the widening of the rich/poor social divide... it's really depressing how New Labour are carrying out the same liberalist policies as Mrs T, only in the garb of socialism...Ouch
 
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