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Visitor13
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Posted: December 25 2006 at 11:15 |
eugene wrote:
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While I kinda agree with you, Andu, I don't think much of 'hedging' in reviews. To me it's a given that however you phrase your opinion, it's going to remain just that - an opinion. |
I agree with you, but not all the people take it like that. I remember editing my posts just adding IMO after every other sentence, so that other people do not jump at me in anger thinking that I am declaring an Absolute Truth.
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Yeah, I almost got into that habit, too.
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Asyte2c00
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Posted: December 25 2006 at 11:26 |
Regressive Progressive Rock.
Mundane, Insipid Lyrics.
Why listen to TFK when you can listen to Yes?
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: December 25 2006 at 11:49 |
Asyte2c00 wrote:
Regressive Progressive Rock.
Mundane, Insipid Lyrics.
Why listen to TFK when you can listen to Yes? |
Why listen to Yes when you can listen to Kayo Dot?
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stonebeard
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Posted: December 25 2006 at 11:51 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
Asyte2c00 wrote:
Regressive Progressive Rock.
Mundane, Insipid Lyrics.
Why listen to TFK when you can listen to Yes? |
Why listen to Yes when you can listen to Kayo Dot?
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Why listen to Kayo Dot when you can listen to Marillion.
See, the world moves in circles.
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Arrrghus
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Posted: December 25 2006 at 11:53 |
stonebeard wrote:
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
Asyte2c00 wrote:
Regressive Progressive Rock.
Mundane, Insipid Lyrics.
Why listen to TFK when you can listen to Yes? | Why listen to Yes when you can listen to Kayo Dot?[IMG]alt=Tongue src="smileys/smiley17.gif" align=absMiddle> |
Why listen to Kayo Dot when you can listen to Marillion. [IMG]height=17 alt=Tongue src="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley17.gif" width=17 align=absMiddle>
See, the world moves in circles. [IMG]height=17 alt="Ying Yang" src="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley33.gif" width=17 align=absMiddle> |
Why make music when you know someone out there is better than you (unless you're Frank Zappa).
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Snow Dog
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Posted: December 25 2006 at 12:14 |
Asyte2c00 wrote:
Regressive Progressive Rock.
Mundane, Insipid Lyrics.
Why listen to TFK when you can listen to Yes? |
I can easily listen to both. And Flower Kings are still providing new material.
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Jared
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Posted: December 25 2006 at 12:53 |
^^ I just can't get into them.. I bought a copy of Space Revolver when it came out, and it did nothing for me despite plenty of listens... I also saw them headline Whitchurch festival in about 2001, which to me was quite a listless and uninspired show..
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Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: December 25 2006 at 13:36 |
stonebeard wrote:
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
Asyte2c00 wrote:
Regressive Progressive Rock.
Mundane, Insipid Lyrics.
Why listen to TFK when you can listen to Yes? |
Why listen to Yes when you can listen to Kayo Dot?
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Why listen to Kayo Dot when you can listen to Marillion.
See, the world moves in circles. |
Sure, that's one of the things I tried to express with my post. BTW: Your signature would look better if you switched max. lines back to 10 ...
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andympick
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Posted: December 25 2006 at 15:50 |
I think their production could be more elaborate when it comes to dynamics. Sound engineer is just not quite accomplishing the sound I personally look for. I have days when I go through their music effortlessly, and others when I just can't stand it. The lead vocals can be sometimes very annoying, just as the accent of the vocalist is at times. Sometimes, the vocals are just bit too soft. I sense that it is their understanding of how they want their music to sound but even though it is a colorful fest of sounds, the full spectrum of colors they are capable of is not coming through on many occasions. There is always a wonderful mix of ideas interupted by some banal, boring section. Perhaps if they somewhat shortened the albums, the impression of the listener would benefit. I also feel this Scandinavian coldness of calculating, very professional musicians who are perfect (and sometimes dry) in what they do and they somewhat tend to stay in that comfort zone, does have a negative effect on those who like a big amounts of emotion in music. (One of the most emotional/prolific/skilled bands I have ever listened to was SBB - I highly recommend 'SBB 3', 'Slovenian Girls', 'Follow My Dreams' and, 'Welcome').
But don't get me wrong; I will pick them gladly over many bands who are celebrated on this website yet who are not what people think they are. Like I said - I can't listen to Flower Kings on just any day. Former musician myself, I know how hard is to transform one's emotion into music - and just mastering the etudial skills does not cut it (Dream Theater; the one and only album that was highly emotional was IAW - the rest is just awful mess of 'Now let me show you how good I really am', in my humble opinion). You can fool many but not all.
As far as I am concerned, I will buy Flower Kings anytime and actually, I would love to see them live. I think their live performance might be quite lively, compared to somewhat dry - but nevertheless good - parts of their albums.
Edited by andympick - December 27 2006 at 17:21
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The Wizard
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Posted: December 26 2006 at 09:06 |
Visitor13 wrote:
I've just given The Wizard's review a read and I don't see a problem with it. It's harsh but IMO fair - it does seem like he listened to the album multiple times (I'm not familiar with Paradox Hotel, BTW, I like The Flower Kings, but I do understand the people who don't). I'd give similar reviews to some highly revered classic prog albums, but that's beside the point.
I don't think saying things like "there are worse albums out there" changes anything. Sure, there are worse albums than Paradox Hotel, but are they prog? This is a prog site, I like to believe that everything that makes it here maintains at least a bare minimum of quality - and that minimum quality is represented by the one star. And everyone is entitled to using the one star rating, providing they've tried to approach the album in question with the minimum of bias, which I believe The Wizard has done.
So please stop trying to prove he's objectively wrong. You can't prove that. Let his review be.
Not that The Wizard can prove he's objectively right, either.
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At least someone is willing to step up and defend my right to have an express an opinion!
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progismylife
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Posted: December 26 2006 at 09:10 |
The Wizard wrote:
Visitor13 wrote:
I've just given The Wizard's review a read and I don't see a problem with it. It's harsh but IMO fair - it does seem like he listened to the album multiple times (I'm not familiar with Paradox Hotel, BTW, I like The Flower Kings, but I do understand the people who don't). I'd give similar reviews to some highly revered classic prog albums, but that's beside the point. I don't think saying things like "there are worse albums out there" changes anything. Sure, there are worse albums than Paradox Hotel, but are they prog? This is a prog site, I like to believe that everything that makes it here maintains at least a bare minimum of quality - and that minimum quality is represented by the one star. And everyone is entitled to using the one star rating, providing they've tried to approach the album in question with the minimum of bias, which I believe The Wizard has done. So please stop trying to prove he's objectively wrong. You can't prove that. Let his review be.Not that The Wizard can prove he's objectively right, either. |
At least someone is willing to step up and defend my right to have an express an opinion! |
Where did you get the idea that we think you shouldn't have the right to express your opinion?
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The Wizard
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Posted: December 26 2006 at 09:12 |
progismylife wrote:
The Wizard wrote:
Visitor13 wrote:
I've just given The Wizard's review a read and I don't see a problem with it. It's harsh but IMO fair - it does seem like he listened to the album multiple times (I'm not familiar with Paradox Hotel, BTW, I like The Flower Kings, but I do understand the people who don't). I'd give similar reviews to some highly revered classic prog albums, but that's beside the point. I don't think saying things like "there are worse albums out there" changes anything. Sure, there are worse albums than Paradox Hotel, but are they prog? This is a prog site, I like to believe that everything that makes it here maintains at least a bare minimum of quality - and that minimum quality is represented by the one star. And everyone is entitled to using the one star rating, providing they've tried to approach the album in question with the minimum of bias, which I believe The Wizard has done. So please stop trying to prove he's objectively wrong. You can't prove that. Let his review be.Not that The Wizard can prove he's objectively right, either. |
At least someone is willing to step up and defend my right to have an express an opinion! |
Where did you get the idea that we think you shouldn't have the right to express your opinion? |
People have suggested that my review be deleted.
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progismylife
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Posted: December 26 2006 at 09:18 |
The Wizard wrote:
progismylife wrote:
The Wizard wrote:
Visitor13 wrote:
I've just given The Wizard's review a read and I don't see a problem with it. It's harsh but IMO fair - it does seem like he listened to the album multiple times (I'm not familiar with Paradox Hotel, BTW, I like The Flower Kings, but I do understand the people who don't). I'd give similar reviews to some highly revered classic prog albums, but that's beside the point. I don't think saying things like "there are worse albums out there" changes anything. Sure, there are worse albums than Paradox Hotel, but are they prog? This is a prog site, I like to believe that everything that makes it here maintains at least a bare minimum of quality - and that minimum quality is represented by the one star. And everyone is entitled to using the one star rating, providing they've tried to approach the album in question with the minimum of bias, which I believe The Wizard has done. So please stop trying to prove he's objectively wrong. You can't prove that. Let his review be.Not that The Wizard can prove he's objectively right, either. |
At least someone is willing to step up and defend my right to have an express an opinion![IMG]smileys/smiley17.gif" align=middle> | Where did you get the idea that we think you shouldn't have the right to express your opinion? [IMG]smileys/smiley5.gif" align=middle> |
People have suggested that my review be deleted. |
Really? I just don't agree with the rating you gave it. But I don't think it should be deleted.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: December 26 2006 at 09:26 |
The Wizard wrote:
People have suggested that my review be deleted. |
Nonsense ... you opinion is as valid as that of everybody else!
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The Wizard
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Posted: December 26 2006 at 09:31 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
The Wizard wrote:
People have suggested that my review be deleted. |
Nonsense ... you opinion is as valid as that of everybody else!
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I'm glad to hear that.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: December 26 2006 at 09:48 |
I think the review should be deleted, along with the reviewer.
Edited by Snow Dog - December 26 2006 at 09:49
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progismylife
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Posted: December 26 2006 at 09:49 |
Snow Dog wrote:
I think the review should be deleted, along with the reviewer.
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I hope you're joking.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: December 26 2006 at 09:50 |
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: December 26 2006 at 09:52 |
^ doesn't sound very humble to me!
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Snow Dog
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Posted: December 26 2006 at 09:56 |
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