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Atavachron 
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 Posted: October 27 2006 at 04:07 |
 richardh wrote:
..but you might get the RSPCA onto you
btw originality and musical brilliance are not mutually exclusive.
Lets say you have one peice of music that is brilliantly played but derivative of Yes and another which is original and also briliantly played.What would you choose? I've already got all the classic Yes releases.I now want something different thanks.Originality does count IMO. |
I agree. In fact, originality is underated these days. Sometimes it's all we have.
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E-Dub
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Posted: October 27 2006 at 05:11 |
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I recall being unable to get into The Flower Kings because of Stolt's voice. I found it to be nasally and derivative of David Bowie. Due to the prodding of a friend of mine, I invested in my first Flower Kings disc (The Rainmaker). I liked it, and slowly started to buy discs that I would find at my local store or Half.com. Well, what do ya know? About 3 years later I ended up buying all of their stuff, I've actually come to appreciate Stolt's voice, and TFK's have become one of my favorite bands.
For me, they took a bit, but they caught on. That's happened with bands like Riverside and King Crimson (although, I find their appeal to be waivering just a bit).
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Edited by E-Dub - October 27 2006 at 05:11
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progadder
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Posted: October 27 2006 at 16:49 |
 i don't know why I don't like them but having given them a chance, I just don't!
Ironically, I think that the F.K. members in The Tangent make a very positive contribution.
Perhaps it's Roine Stolt I don't like because The Tangent definitely sound infinitely better now he's gone.
However, Flower Kings is still better than most of the drivel on TV and mainstream radio. 
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There's an angel standing in the sun ...
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The Wizard
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Posted: December 24 2006 at 17:20 |
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Read my review of Paradox Hotel and tell me what you all think.
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The Miracle
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Posted: December 24 2006 at 17:23 |
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That wasn't fair IMO, it's an excellent 4 star album of very intelligently composed music. It might not be that original, but it's very enjoyable quality symphonic prog. If it was made in 73, you'd all be raving about how amazing it is.
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The Wizard
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Posted: December 24 2006 at 17:26 |
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No, I wouldn't be. I specifically said the problem is not that it sounds like 70's prog. It's the very music itself that is poor.
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The Miracle
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Posted: December 24 2006 at 17:31 |
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Whatever, to me it sounds great.
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stonebeard
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Posted: December 24 2006 at 17:36 |
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Lack of marillion.
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The Miracle
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Posted: December 24 2006 at 17:37 |
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Or kitty cats.
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Man Overboard
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Posted: December 24 2006 at 17:38 |
The Wizard wrote:
Read my review of Paradox Hotel and tell me what you all think. |
That was completely uncalled for. The only one-star review you've ever written, and you've not written any two-stars, either. Your review is trolling, and you should be suitably reprimanded.
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The Wizard
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Posted: December 24 2006 at 17:48 |
Man Overboard wrote:
The Wizard wrote:
Read my review of Paradox Hotel and tell me what you all think. |
That was completely uncalled for. The only one-star review you've ever written, and you've not written any two-stars, either. Your review is trolling, and you should be suitably reprimanded. |
How is it trolling? I wrote 5 paragraphs to back up my rating.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: December 24 2006 at 17:48 |
I really don't like ratings like that one ... they are objectively wrong. Unfortunately there's nothing we can do about them ... so I think it's best to ignore them. On my website I developed a smart way to handle them ... their impact on the average is dampened as long as they're only a very small minority. 
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The Wizard
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Posted: December 24 2006 at 17:49 |
How is my rating 'objectively wrong'?
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Man Overboard
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Posted: December 24 2006 at 17:49 |
5 baseless paragraphs. Just how many times did you listen to this album? Your review doesn't show any knowledge of the music, it sounds like a biased review based on a single listen, with an opinion formed before you started.
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The Wizard
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Posted: December 24 2006 at 17:52 |
Man Overboard wrote:
5 baseless paragraphs. Just how many times did you listen to this album? Your review doesn't show any knowledge of the music, it sounds like a biased review based on a single listen, with an opinion formed before you started. |
I've listened to the album about 10 times, all the way the through from beggining to end. I have plenty of knowledge on the music. I hadn't formed an opinion before I started, AS I EXPLICITLY STATED IN MY REVIEW.
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Man Overboard
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Posted: December 24 2006 at 17:54 |
The Wizard wrote:
I've listened to the album about 10 times, all the way the through from beggining to end. I have plenty of knowledge on the music. I hadn't formed an opinion before I started, AS I EXPLICITLY STATED IN MY REVIEW. |
I don't know if I believe you. There is no way this album warrants one star. You sir, are objectively wrong.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: December 24 2006 at 17:54 |
The Wizard wrote:
How is my rating 'objectively wrong'? |
Because there are obviously many albums that are worse than Paradox Hotel. Maybe "wrong" is the wrong word, "inconsistent" might be better. Sorry, I didn't mean to offend you ... 
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The Wizard
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Posted: December 24 2006 at 17:55 |
Man Overboard wrote:
The Wizard wrote:
I've listened to the album about 10 times, all the way the through from beggining to end. I have plenty of knowledge on the music. I hadn't formed an opinion before I started, AS I EXPLICITLY STATED IN MY REVIEW. |
I don't know if I believe you. There is no way this album warrants one star. You sir, are objectively wrong. |
Why? Because my review goes against popular opinion? Am I not allowed to express an opinion on an album on this site, even if I can back it up?
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The Miracle
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Posted: December 24 2006 at 17:56 |
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The Wizard
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Posted: December 24 2006 at 17:56 |
That's just your opinion that there are many album worse than Paradox Hotel. 
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