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progadicto 
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 Topic: Worst USA President
Posted: December 22 2006 at 01:47 |
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Just curious... specificly about the opinion of wrong-called American fellows... THIS IS A NOT-HJATE POLL Just your opinion (with bases) about this historic guys...
Best regards and please keep the harmony...
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... E N E L B U N K E R...
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video vertigo
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Posted: December 22 2006 at 02:01 |
I don't understand your last two options, I see nothing wrong with a poll like this and I'm a republican 
Both democratic and republicans are listed so why does that matter at all as to how we view this poll?
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video vertigo
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Posted: December 22 2006 at 04:10 |
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I'd say Johnson is probably the worst (vietnam) and Reagan the best (ending the cold war, reaganomics etc)
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GoldenSpiral
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Posted: December 22 2006 at 06:42 |
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people tend to forget Andrew Jackson, who essentially carried out government-sponsored genocide agains the native americans...
GWB may be dumb, but at least he's not systematically wiping out any races of people
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Philéas
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Posted: December 22 2006 at 15:25 |
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Please be more constructive. I didn't choose that option because I'm a
Republican (I'm Swedish; I couldn't be, and I don't like them anyway),
but I fail to see the point with this poll.
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TheProgtologist
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Posted: December 22 2006 at 15:34 |
 progadicto wrote:
Just curious... specificly about the opinion of wrong-called American fellows... THIS IS A NOT-HJATE POLL Just your opinion (with bases) about this historic guys...Best regards and please keep the harmony...
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You might not intend it to be a hate poll but it will turn into one.
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TheProgtologist
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Posted: December 22 2006 at 15:35 |
GoldenSpiral wrote:
people tend to forget Andrew Jackson, who essentially carried out government-sponsored genocide agains the native americans...GWB may be dumb, but at least he's not systematically wiping out any races of people
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But the topic creator is talking about Presidents in the last 40 years Chris.
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stonebeard
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Posted: December 22 2006 at 15:41 |
Not JFK at all. Great idealist and not too bad before he was cut down.
Did Ford actually do anything as president? 
I don't like Reagan's untra-socially-conservative politics, but he didn't do too terribly from what I've heard.
I'd say ait's between Nixon and GW Bush. Both are stubborn crooks. But Bush managed to get us into a position where most of the world looks down on the US, something which Nixon managed to not do somehow, so I'm going for our Supreme Fool of A President, George W. Bush.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: December 22 2006 at 15:56 |
I'm with Kennedy, his family used everybody to reach the office, even illegal connections, he started Vietnam (While Nixon stopped Vietnam, a paradox), the Bay of Pigs was a stupid movement, but if he was already in it, giving a step back was a sign of weaknes, his personal behaviour is at least controversial due to his almost public sexual affaires (Happy Birthday Mister President  ).
His personal charisma saved him from chaos.
My opinion of course.
Iván
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Drew
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Posted: December 22 2006 at 16:01 |
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In all Honesty- I dont care- I get tired of people on this site bashing the USA.
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tuxon
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Posted: December 22 2006 at 16:10 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
I'm with Kennedy, his family used everybody to reach the office, even illegal connections, he started Vietnam (While Nixon stopped Vietnam, a paradox), the Bay of Pigs was a stupid movement, but if he was already in it, giving a step back was a sign of weaknes, his personal behaviour is at least controversial due to his almost public sexual affaires (Happy Birthday Mister President ).
His personal charisma saved him from chaos.
My opinion of course.
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same here regarding JFK, but his wrongs have been dealt with, and no bad has come from it over time.
GWB on the other hand is doing more damage than can be repared within the next 10 years or so  .
still love Americans though, just wish their Presidents were more like me, and just had a cookie when things go wrong instead of marching out to war 
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: December 22 2006 at 23:44 |
tuxon wrote:
same here regarding JFK, but his wrongs have been dealt with, and no bad has come from it over time.
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No, still one to solve....Fidel Castro.
Kennedy created a monster from an insignificant dicatator who would had probably lost the support even from USSR after his first crimes, imprisonment of his ex-partners but most surely after Castro would had stopped being front page.
From that moment USSR couldn't stop supporting Castro (Hey, it was a great propaganda for their system, a poor little Banana Republic surviving against the Imperialist Giant) while USA kept placing embargos against Cuba (USA couldn't accept the preassure of USSR and give another step back after the embarrassment of Bahia de Cochinos).
But as always the poor people of the country were made a triple sandwich between USSR, Castro and the Western countries.
Drew wrote:
In all Honesty- I dont care- I get tired of people on this site bashing the USA. |
Hey Drew, having a bad President is not always fault of the people in the country, much less in USA where you have to choose one out of two.
If USA had their Kennedy or Nixon:
UK had Maggy  Chile had Pinochet
Argentina had Videla
Perú had Fujimori, Velazco, Alan García (He's back again), etc etc etc 
Iván
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Posted: December 22 2006 at 23:48 |
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Haha. This topic is just a testament to the narrow-minded, near-sightedness of most people today. Even if you don't like Bush, it's hard, in context of 230 years, to say he's the worst president ever. That's an absurd statement in fact. Clinton drove the economy to the ground, Nixon was a shameless crook, Johnson lost Vietnam, etc, et al. And of course people could name positive things for all those people as well. Bush has certainly done a lot of good, I agree with him on many issues... he's also fowled up. Worst ever? No way. Best ever? No way.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: December 22 2006 at 23:58 |
ResidentAlien wrote:
Haha. This topic is just a testament to the narrow-minded, near-sightedness of most people today. Even if you don't like Bush, it's hard, in context of 230 years, to say he's the worst president ever. That's an absurd statement in fact. Clinton drove the economy to the ground, Nixon was a shameless crook, Johnson lost Vietnam, etc, et al. And of course people could name positive things for all those people as well. Bush has certainly done a lot of good, I agree with him on many issues... he's also fowled up. Worst ever? No way. Best ever? No way. |
As we say in Perú: "Todo tiempo pasado fue mejor" (We all believe the past was better).
Older people have bad memory, probably they remember they had work when Nixon was President or were promoted when Clinton was in the White House),
On the other hand younger people only know the latest President, that's why living corpses when burn, wait a couple of years and come back again to politics, confident in the lack of historic perspective of the elder and the ignorance in a majority of the young ones.
Iván
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Posted: December 23 2006 at 00:01 |
In reality this poll proves that the American people is much better than their rulers, at least in the last half century (in fact, it seems to happen everywhere).
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video vertigo
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Posted: December 23 2006 at 03:53 |
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I agree with Ivan for the most part, maybe not the worst but from what I've studied he wasn't very good and probably even a bigger crook than Nixon was. Unfortunately good looks and charisma mean more to us than policy, I believe if Kennedy had finished his term and was not assassinated his legacy would have been poor instead of being remembered fondly.
In a related matter I was taught in American history class that during the debates between Kennedy and Nixon a poll was done after the debates and some 80% of americans who watched them on TV thought Kennedy was much better in the debates than Nixon and those who heard the debates on the radio had a staggering majority in believing Nixon won the debates.
Its amazing what good looks and charisma will do for a person.
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The T
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Posted: December 23 2006 at 23:22 |
Kennedy was not only charismatic but a believer in democracy, true democracy. His father made a fortune bootlegging alcohol into the US, let's agree on that, but his sons received a great education and, even if just for patronizing purposes or something, they meant good, they were forward-thinking people, not only JFK but Bobby and even much maligned yet very good senator Edawrd Ted Kennedy (very favorable to us latins, I may say). I just don't agree with qualifying presidents because of sex life, that's their private life; I'd rather have a sexomaniac who made the people richer and happier (not in a populist, Chavean way), created jobs and drove his country into the new era than a hypocritical, disguised "moral authority" who, behind the scenes, screws everybody and not only figuratively, but literally; Give me 20 Clintons and not one "Christian" like Bush who, as a "good christian" sends thousands to their deaths because of his oil-and-power-hunger.... Nixon, a paranoid sycho who did a few good things (opened china) but ultimately was a crook (the "checkers" incident was great, watergate a disaster).... Carter was a weakling.... Reagan was a fanatic but had some ideas.... G.H.W. Bush was another religion-crazy president but less fanatic than the current atrocity.... Clinton a great president...I don't care if he had a girl under the desk, HE CREATED JOBS, HAD A SURPLUS.... now when "religion" starts feeding people and stops wars INSTEAD OF CREATING THEM, I'll be all for fanatics.
And Vietnam was not only Kennedy's miscalculation, but Eisenhower's, too.
None remembers good president L.B.Johnson who made incredible reform towards integration and destruction of the segregationist system. He was pressured by society to do so, but he DID IT. Now the "moralists" Bush and Co. are so incredible "righteous", they have scandal after scandal every week. I live in the US, I think you have to live here to have a better perspective of what this idiot is doing.
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The T
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Posted: December 23 2006 at 23:34 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
I'm with Kennedy, his family used everybody to reach the office which president hasn't? , even illegal connections, again, name me the "saint" one.... he started Vietnam that was a disaster waiting to happen... the french already were thrown out, Eisenhower could've started fixing things (While Nixon stopped Vietnam, a paradox) I don't see a paradox, I see a normal consequence of the DEFEAT of the US army... and the pressure of american society.... Nixon bombed Cambodia and planted the roots for the atrocities of the Khmer Rouge and pol pot, remember? When Sihanouk was dethroned and the Khmer Rouge entered Pnohm Phen, it was because the country was DESTROYED thanks to R. Milhaus Nixon, the Bay of Pigs was a stupid movement, but it was not Kennedy to blame, but his Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), who misinformed him and made him aprove of an ill-fated "invasion" but if he was already in it, giving a step back was a sign of weaknes,no, was a sign of reason, his personal behaviour is at least controversial due to his almost public sexual affaires maybe, so..... we prefer a "moralist, christian" like Bush, who in the name of God sends thousands of americans and Iraquis to their deaths? (Happy Birthday Mister President ).
His personal charisma saved him from chaos. No, he and Bobby saved the world from the nuclear holocaust when they stopped the Army from invading Cuba in the Missile Crisis and made an obscure deal with Kruschev.... Kennedy didn't create Castro, the CIA created him, but mostly, BATISTA. And the MAFIA who made Habana a big casino and whorehouse for the US, giving the revolutionaries the moral push they needed with the people.... I don't like US invading other countries, even if it was to remove Castro. Let every country deal with its own problems. You remember who backed Pinochet? NIXON, due to the advice of Henry Kissinger.
My opinion of course.
And we respect that. that's the great thing about a free society. the one Bush and Cheney want to ERASE. Beleieve me, living here you see every day another proof of the machiavelic stupidity (now that's a contradiction!) they have....
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el böthy
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Posted: December 24 2006 at 19:04 |
George W Bush I guess, as I know how much of an asshole he is, but at the same time dont know much about the others...except Clinton...jejeje, now that was a good President for you USA ...ahhh, cool guy
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Posted: December 24 2006 at 20:06 |
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the bush are the worst ,smell like sulphur
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