Experimental/Post rock Appreciation Threa |
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Jimbo
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Posted: December 13 2006 at 18:48 |
^ Pivot is a fine band, indeed. Fans of jazzy, slightly Tortoise-esque post-rock should feel right at home with this band.
Laura sounded pretty good also (based on myspace samples). |
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BePinkTheater
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Posted: December 14 2006 at 15:14 |
Yea...those videos are crazy....
Jsut cause it's really them playing. It's like looking at a video of a mythological creature doing what he's famous for. you jsut can't believe that what you're watching isn't a hoax.
But this one, I believe.
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I can strangle a canary in a tin can and it would be really original, but that wouldn't save it from sounding like utter sh*t.
-Stone Beard |
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chamberry
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Posted: December 14 2006 at 18:15 |
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Prog-jester
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Posted: December 15 2006 at 07:13 |
Check the Russian post-rock band SILENCE KIT - http://www.raig.ru/silencekit.asp
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chamberry
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Posted: December 15 2006 at 14:59 |
Check this one as well.
Bosch's With You http://boschwithyou.narod.ru/ebos.htm Here are the songs: 11:06 penetrating in / Outside point of view III Birds = Fish (8:52) The Day of Wrath (16:10) 4SaVa (6:53) The new zero for a wide wasteland (13:14) They remind me to some of Tarentel's more floaty works. Great for late-night listening. |
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BePinkTheater
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Posted: December 17 2006 at 11:14 |
Has anyone heard of Diamanda Galas?
She's incredible.
I think she is definitely experimental enough to be here in our archives.
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I can strangle a canary in a tin can and it would be really original, but that wouldn't save it from sounding like utter sh*t.
-Stone Beard |
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Jimbo
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Posted: December 17 2006 at 12:57 |
^ Surely not under Experimental/Post-rock ?
She's an intriguing avant-garde artist, but prog-related at best IMO. |
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chamberry
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Posted: December 17 2006 at 13:16 |
Yeah. That "experimental" in our "experimental/post-rock" genre is very misleading.
Can we change it? |
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Ricochet
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Posted: December 17 2006 at 14:11 |
no, it's good say - well I'm not the expert, but I like the tone. Experimental above the usual experimental tone that can come up in every mentionable music style.
I'm just wondering what the slash stands for "Experimental Rock/Post Rock" reduced to only one time mentioned "Rock". "Experimental // Post Rock" meaning only "Experimental". ? Edited by Ricochet - December 17 2006 at 14:12 |
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chamberry
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Posted: December 17 2006 at 14:27 |
I think it's better that way, without the "experimental rock" part. It can be very misleading as well. A lot of those post-rock bands barely have "rock" in them so people might get the wrong idea of the genre.
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Ricochet
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Posted: December 17 2006 at 14:34 |
actually I consider some in the post rock effect and lot less in the experimental full denotation.
Gastr Del Sol, out of all nine artists I listened and know so far, are the first to show me experimental without much post and certainly of low rock aptitude. I'll return here later by the way with a "special" review and some appreciation on Gastr Del Sol albums. I think I left off things at their debut last time. |
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Apsalar
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Posted: December 17 2006 at 14:39 |
Great artist, deeply enjoy her works. A little while back we voted for her in the RIO/avant-prog team. From memory most of us voted prog-related, so I definitely think that is the section for her works. |
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chamberry
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Posted: December 17 2006 at 15:59 |
Sorry Rico. I had a mixing of ideas in the last genre of my comment and it came out wrong, but what I meant to say is what you said about Gastr Del Sol. They can be experimental without having much rock in their sound and that's why I prefer to have "experimental" instead of "experimental rock". Although I personally don't like the experimental tag since is a very loose thing. A band can be experimental with their own genre or their own sound; An avant-garde band could be called experimental because it isn't really a "normal" type of music ect. ect. I think that most of the bands that could be concidered experimental might fit with the avant-prog genre. For example many people can say that Set Fire to Flames is very experimental with their use of ambient sounds such as creaking floors and police sirens with their sound, but instead of saying they're experimental I would say they where very avant-garde in their approach. That's how I see it. |
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Ricochet
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Posted: December 17 2006 at 16:28 |
So there's a Bell Orchestre review.
Crookt, Cracky or Fly (1994) Crookt, Crackt Or Fly is Gastr Del Sol's nightmarish creation, entirely of too upside0down moments which are either shallowly understood or to abnegate, in an act of frustration over bits of thing that speak incoherence. An album with full minutes of not saying anything but the character of wannabe artizans. Don't get in an alert state, something moves in a serious talk. Firstly, it happens again that a debut is more nice and more interesting then the visibly more mature continuation creation (again, because the same thing I experienced over at Explosions). So Serpentine Similar has some real value, while C,C&F has much real hazard. Also the impression that the two are stylistically matching isn't vague - but real! Only that C,C&F is dead serious about the crimbled technique, while the debut suceeded in soft, but no that sloppy tasty coldness. Secondly, C,C&F wastes enourmously on artificiality, with bonus music savor. There's rough eccentricity in every pinch of pinched pinching pinches and there are low funs in cluelss amorphous intentions. Structure in part which have their own shattering fractures, little is the acceptance of insensitive playing on levels of definitory modesty. Ugly! why do I have to say that word out loud? Thirdly, "Efrim, sing to us!" Fourthly, GDS musicians playlike they would burn schrapnel in a frying pan or they would like to sound integrally like burning schrapnel in a frying pan recorded on tape - as: stretchy guitar number 1, moody guitar number 2, picks and chops, melody in broken bitterness, polyphony of absent concept, text of hieroglyphic letters, a sign that you're really disturbed and want to spread panic minutes from the proper source. There are some dynamics included in the noisy package, even a rock dignity energy kick down the finale epic, but what else it to talk about when the style pays the pretentiousness price in itself? N-dly, complements on GDS playing pure/purest intended experimental. But really of soothenings? Don't think so. Loud voom. Not. Not at all! Mirror Repair EP (1995) In Mirror Repair EP, if you have the complete looks of GDS, you realize two fundamental things; the style has gone completely experimental and abstract droning; and; the style will only be experimental and abstract droning (meaning they're on one bandwith - several interpretation). If you take this EP by the first or rookie impression, it's not such a bad choice. Liked some good moments and found the general mood as prime quality. And all that concisely and shortly. A surprise? Yes, good to have this among your fuzed-up collection and deadly necesarry if you are a Gastr addicted. Simplicity in really un-estimated words, hint of that rigorousity that wants you under control. more or less lowered glitch sounds and eruptions of short mood, technical ability, experimental virtuosity. Not much, but that's what you always mean when you're actually pleased, but have to stick with limits: Gastr still noisy and cluttered, ideas still in a cliffhanger of obscurity, sadeness as a mono-color, the constant temptation of being themselves, but for themselves instead of for us. Harp Factory On Lake Street EP (1995) totally dismissable. 17 minutes! imagine that. mild improvisation of nuances collages. orchestral, bangs, dissipations, disparations, minimal insanity, low profile. What's the point. 17 minutes. With four disappointing silent moments edit, that's 14 minutes. two parts of syrous smothering, 10 minutes. less tutti, 6 minutes. one more illusory part easily taken out, 2 minutes. Two minutes of good stuff. 'Nuff said? No! Actually yeah, nuff said. |
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BePinkTheater
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Posted: December 17 2006 at 19:55 |
hmm I tihnk a name change could help.
Maybe just Post-Rock
and lose the experimental title all together.
Or maybe Post-rock/ Mathrock, because mathrock and metal bands are included...
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I can strangle a canary in a tin can and it would be really original, but that wouldn't save it from sounding like utter sh*t.
-Stone Beard |
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Ricochet
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Posted: December 18 2006 at 00:57 |
I'll skip Upgrade & Afterlife. I need to listen to it a few more times otherwise I'm fooling myself (and you, who read my lines), in an appreciation.
I can tell that it's my nomination for Gastr Del Sol's best made album. Camofleur (1998) I would postpone Camofleur too, but I got some clear ideas already and alright. The first sense of change in six entire GDS albums. Given that it is "2006 past 1998", it's a sad, sad, sad thing that it didn't progress even more. Anyway both the case that the roughness gets distilled with some flavor and that the new passion doesn't recognize less the tasty effects of grobian tones are unused. I think I've read somewhere the tag "pop". Perhaps easy that uncomforts you would be best applied. Talking sense into music, GDS are not far from GDS-like architects, but consider greatly a twist of faith in some emotions other than an un-synchonized heartbeat, taking melody in a sweetened inegality and doing some thematic mixes while on the "sounding good, feeling good, being of a caliber" issue. Heavy work that species light. Prominent feature of GDS since it's no longer a wrapped sting in the face of a balanced view: experimental but also clarity. (Yes, chamberry, give it a well-deserved try, but don't expect really stupendous things). GDS in melodical experimental rockish genreless style. Last chance afterall, final choice. Edited by Ricochet - December 18 2006 at 00:58 |
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Apsalar
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Posted: December 18 2006 at 03:09 |
I remember someone earlier on in this thread expressing their liking of the more Jazzy side of Post-rock (I think this could have been Jimbo).
Not that anyone cares, I thought I would suggest the stunning German band KAMMERFLIMMER KOLLEKTIEF which I find myself to quite enjoy, who mix it up between electronic, free Jazz and post-rock. Here is a little infomation on their last album Absencen (2005) The sky over Karlsruhe is densely clouded with ideas, so much so, that they’ re disputing their significance while claiming vigorously but to no avail the priority of their musical territory. But Absencen is only partly about these ideas, about things that are present and immediately penetrable, rather than about the stuff that is (almost) absent. Here, absence is the conditio sine qua non for presence; it is what is absent that forces the Kollektief’s art into existence. The consistent negation of execution, the music that „goes without playing“, the stuff that seems to be happen at random and without consequence – these are the key characteristics of Absencen. Musique Concrète, soundscapes, Country, Free Jazz, Jazz, the scores of yet unmade films, etc. – all these components live a parallel life in the Kollektief’s art without ever being there simply for their own sake, a fact which they communicate to the listener. It is not by amalgamating clearly attributable fragments that life is breathed into this work; neither does anything in this music ever want to be a simple quotation. It is not the chaotic twitching, nor an arbitrary musical rebellion in the vain hope of an accidental deliverance from the superabundance of a myriad of musical possibilities such as improv, sampling and random quotations, but rather a sophisticated puzzle picture of the absent and the present (thinking of Giuseppe Archimboldo may help here). In other words, when, how and to what end a musical action takes place is something that is meticulously calculated by the Kollektief. Absencen is a tapestry woven from many and diverse translucent threads. The side that we behold is shimmering in a holy manifoldness, while from beholding it we can anticipate and construct the averted side. After all, we are not only endowed with the ability to hear, but also to think. Markus Hablizel Anyway, if any one is look for a little more "information" as such just send a PM my way. |
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Jimbo
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Posted: December 18 2006 at 03:54 |
^ Yeah, that was me.
I listened to Kammerflimmer Kollektief on myspace some time ago, and really liked it (much due to their unpredictability, something that is often lacking in this genre) ! They're on the post-rock chart but only have my vote (yes) so far. |
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Apsalar
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Posted: December 18 2006 at 04:41 |
I first heard about them of a compilation CD from Temporary Residence (home of bands like 'Explosions in the Sky' & 'Tarentel'). The label has some interesting bands. I see much Fridge in Kammerflimmer Kollektief during their electronic sections. Some may like Fridge, but might be a little poppy for other peoples taste. But a band I must push forward from the label is "RUMAH SAKIT" not post-rock per se, and they incorpate some avant-garde influences (but this is not to turn people off). This is the compilation, I gives a nice little overview of the bands on the label: title: Thank You 01: Fridge "Five Combs" 02: Howard Hello "The One" 03: Kilowatthours w/ JDV "Jignauseum" 04: Tarentel "Bell Jar" 05: Rumah Sakit "I Can't See Anything When I Close My Eyes (Live)" 06: Explosions In The Sky"The Long Spring" 07: Kammerflimmer Kollektief "Eiderdaunen (Version)" 08: Sybarite "Killing the Moonshine (Version)" 09: Parlour"Landlaked" 10: Halifax Pier"And California" 11: Sonna "The Closer" http://www.temporaryresidence.com/The site has a nice little free mp3 selection.Edited by Black Velvet - December 18 2006 at 05:20 |
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Jimbo
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Posted: December 18 2006 at 05:19 |
^ I heard some Rumah Sakit a few months ago (don't remember how or where though ) I seem to recall that it was rather math-rock-ish, but I could be mistaken though.
Just heard a sample off the new Explosions in the Sky album, it seems no real progress has happened. The sound is rather similar to their other works, which is not a bad thing per se, but I was hoping that they would do something more "out of the norm" this time. Oh well, it's better not to judge until I've heard the full album. |
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