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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 02 2006 at 20:59
Looking at the number of views this thread gets, it is safe to assume it is not us the same 10 people coming here all the time, so I thought it would be nice to let you know what is going on in the ZAR domain in PA and what the ZART has been and is doing.
So here are the latest additions to the ZAR genres:

Pataphonie - http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_BAND.asp?band_id=2738

Massacre - http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_BAND.asp?band_id=2727

Offering - http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_BAND.asp?band_id=2719

Slapp Happy - http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_BAND.asp?band_id=2716

The Flying Luttenbachers - http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_BAND.asp?band_id=2715

Debile Menthol - http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_BAND.asp?band_id=2714

Yowie - http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_BAND.asp?band_id=2713

Ahleuchatistas - http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_BAND.asp?band_id=2712

The Muffin Men - http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_BAND.asp?band_id=2709

The Magic Band - http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_BAND.asp?band_id=2707

Eider Stellaire - http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_BAND.asp?band_id=2690


And you can view our list here:
http://www.progtology.com/home/progarchives/razchart.xhtml

You will notice it has expanded by several folds... You can "blame" Adam for that... He keeps on coming up with those bands...










    

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2006 at 00:02
I don't this one personally, but it sounds quite good.


Rouge Ciel - Veuillez procéder



[2005.10.23] Here's the review I wrote on 2005.9.18 for the Downtown Music Gallery newsletter.

Hmm, I think I should consider raising this one to 4.5 stars, but I'll have to play it again and think about it. I'm very much looking forward to playing it again, which says a lot in itself.

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A totally unexpected avant-prog monster!  This is a very young band with four multi-instrumentalists covering violin, turntable, electronics, mandolin, piano, keyboards, guitars, drumkit, trumpet, flugelhorn, and percussion in various combinations. This rich timbral palette is deployed in the service of thorny, ambitious constructions ranging across an Art Zoyd / Univers Zero sound alternately subdued and much more aggressive than these groups, buoyant Miriodor jaunts, pastoral fusion, pyrotechnic prog-fusion, crazed free jazz violin solos, pedestrian avant-jazz, post-Kagel deconstructionism by way of free improvisation, etc.

While heavily tending towards a somewhat conventional jazz or prog foundation, this group is extremely unusual in the extent they use harsh and experimental elements. It hits the avant-prog prototype dead-center and will be a serious revelation for fans of the genre. With its intricacy, playfulness, and occasional manic abandon, it carries on the abandoned tradition of Debile Menthol.

I can't help but feel that postmodernism this brash and fabulous can only come from Quebec, and, indeed, Rouge Ciel represents something of a new generation emerging from the astoundingly fertile Musique Actuelle scene in the Montreal area. The label, Monsieur Fauteux, is a subdivision of Ambiances Magnetiques and the album was even produced by the great Joane Hetu. Even with Rouge Ciel's much stronger rock emphasis, the stylistic collages are rather similar to Jean Derome et les Dangereux Zhoms (a special favorite group of mine), rarely adapting an idiom wholesale. For example, even with a handful of truly out free jazz violin and piano solos, the rhythm section never shifts into a free jazz mode, sticking with fairly simple and regular accompaniment instead. It's this kind of rootedness in easily grasped structures combined with adventurous elements that defines that happy medium most avant-prog fans yearn for. For all their brashness and variability, Rouge Ciel spend a lot of time in some prog or post-jazz comfort zone or another, great places to be when it's done this well.

Stepping back from the specific aesthetic choices of the ensemble and considering a wider musicological context, maximal postmodernism as a general possibility that Rouge Ciel nicely exemplifies is rather rare and in itself unlikely to be anything less than thrilling, but there's a serious gap that deserves to be acknowledged between thrilling and transcendental.  Rouge Ciel and Dangereux Zhoms don't reach the transcendentalism of the two pinnacles of maximal postmodernism looming above all others, A.D.D. Trio and Gregg Bendian's Interzone, and it's easy to see why: Rouge Ciel's postmodern synthesis is primarily quotational and cumulative, whereas those two towering singularities of creative music rarely leave a trace of their sundry atomic inspirations. It's a difference between escaping categories and multiplying them. Correspondingly, Rouge Ciel doesn't attempt to travel the other historically witnessed path to transcendental maximal postmodernism, the jumpcuttism of Naked City.

These theoretical remarks are only meant to put my roiling enthusiasm for Rouge Ciel in perspective and avoid hyperbole.  The bottom line is that this disc knocked my socks off and I had to play it three times in a row because I was so flabbergasted to discover such distinctive and elite avant-prog!!! They have one earlier release from 2001 I'll be checking out ASAP.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2006 at 04:00
Just found this band - sounds like Polish RIO - listened to this album just once - very interesting
Is anyone else familiar with them?
 

aPoloK "The One and Only in the World"

 

''Firmly in the RIO (Etron Fou/Debile Menthol/Henry Cow/The Work) type realm, blending jazz, folk, rock and bizarre songs, I'm also reminded of other contemporary eccentrics like Ne Zhedali, Auction, Ur Kaos, et al.'' -Alan Freeman.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2006 at 04:05
Originally posted by eugene eugene wrote:

Just found this band - sounds like Polish RIO - listened to this album just once - very interesting
Is anyone else familiar with them?
 

aPoloK "The One and Only in the World"

 

''Firmly in the RIO (Etron Fou/Debile Menthol/Henry Cow/The Work) type realm, blending jazz, folk, rock and bizarre songs, I'm also reminded of other contemporary eccentrics like Ne Zhedali, Auction, Ur Kaos, et al.'' -Alan Freeman.

 
sounds very interesting indeed - any links to samples you know of :)
 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2006 at 05:11
Originally posted by listennow801 listennow801 wrote:

Originally posted by eugene eugene wrote:

Just found this band - sounds like Polish RIO - listened to this album just once - very interesting
Is anyone else familiar with them?
 

aPoloK "The One and Only in the World"

 

''Firmly in the RIO (Etron Fou/Debile Menthol/Henry Cow/The Work) type realm, blending jazz, folk, rock and bizarre songs, I'm also reminded of other contemporary eccentrics like Ne Zhedali, Auction, Ur Kaos, et al.'' -Alan Freeman.

 
sounds very interesting indeed - any links to samples you know of :)
 


With the mention of Ne Zhedali it has drawn me in (not to mention EFF, DM & The W), definitely sounds like my kind of thing. Not overly knowledgeable on the whole polish scene.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2006 at 14:10
Originally posted by eugene eugene wrote:

Just found this band - sounds like Polish RIO - listened to this album just once - very interesting
Is anyone else familiar with them?
 

aPoloK "The One and Only in the World"

 

''Firmly in the RIO (Etron Fou/Debile Menthol/Henry Cow/The Work) type realm, blending jazz, folk, rock and bizarre songs, I'm also reminded of other contemporary eccentrics like Ne Zhedali, Auction, Ur Kaos, et al.'' -Alan Freeman.



(This thread's got me revisiting a lot of stuff on the shelves - ) I'd agree w/ AF, this is a slightly angular rock album with some oddball vocals (can't understand a word, but they come across as a bit theatric, exclamatory, and others sort of chanted. One intro to a tune's given by a guy who has his mouth full) and a pretty obvious link to the RIO sound. Drums, elec. guitars, bass, a couple horns - sax & trombone - flute, and of lot of pipes and flutes (one of the members plays a whole bunch of different things), and four vocalists (male & female). I'd also add Uz Jsme Doma to the list of "sounds likes". Hmmm. Wonder what they followed this one up with? It's pretty good, though it'd help (I hope) to understand the lyrics.

I lost track of the contemporary Polish "avant rock" scene a number of years ago. Is anybody familiar with what's been going on there in the last decade?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2006 at 15:28
Unfortunately not much could I find on the net about them
Try to google their name - maybe some of you will be more successful
The link I used is http://www.vergemusic.com/old/jazza.htm, but not much there.
 
This album (in mp3 format), I got from my friend purely by chance, is weird,- RIO and stuff but really weird RIO and stuff, and would definitely require several repeated attentive listenings to get in fully. Interesting though... and would like to know more about them.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 05 2006 at 13:59
Just bumping this to the first page. Wink

I'm looking forward to hearing Weidorje, as I've heard some tracks by them before and they were excellent.

And Claire, do you really expect me to listen to a band called Shampoo? PinchLOL

There's a terrible UK all-girl pop band of the same name... I don't want people think I'm listening to that!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 05 2006 at 14:09
lol! [god am i laughing here!] nonetheless, I promise you it really is good! there are a few questionable moments [the last track, i think, a bit mainstream], but really it's worth it i think. Have you heard of Mad Curry? Anyway hey, it has greg walker of Synphonic's approval - he sells it on his site [it's a Japanese poorhouse though - not legit issue as there isn't one on CD]. Greg describes it thus: "Post-Mad Curry similar to Colosseum & Moving Gelatine Plates" If anyone likes let me know - I have Mad Curry too]
 
[just listened to 1 DAAU, and i have to say i really question the inclusion of them here...proggy moments yes, but all the house/hip-hop pretty univentive/creative & rote/predicatable...imho, of course... [I LOVE funk btw - but exceptionally good funk, not stuff everyone & his brother's doing...even if the context may color it more interesting, it doesn't make the music in itself so..]
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 05 2006 at 14:23
I've yet to hear DAAU, but I know Assaf did find himself asking similar questions about their proggyness.  I thought they hadn't been cleared...

Ah, well I trust your judgement on Shampoo.  I tried to find the album on RYM, but there isn't anything called Volume 1, is this a best of?

I like Colosseum, but I've yet heard Colosseum II (with Gary Moore).  I've also not heard Moving Gelatine Plates.

I've messaged Greg a few times before, so I may ask him to a copy of Mad Curry to one side.  I have more stuff to order in the future (just not quite yet, I have far too much to listen too).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 05 2006 at 15:16
I don't see a problem with DAAU in prog-related. Belgian chamber rock and all... kind of rings a bell doesn't it? (Fukkeduk, X-Legged Sally etc.) I admit DAAU are different, but there are enough similarities in sound/style to include them in prog-related IMO.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 05 2006 at 16:07
Originally posted by listennow801 listennow801 wrote:

lol! [god am i laughing here!] nonetheless, I promise you it really is good! there are a few questionable moments [the last track, i think, a bit mainstream], but really it's worth it i think. Have you heard of Mad Curry? Anyway hey, it has greg walker of Synphonic's approval - he sells it on his site [it's a Japanese poorhouse though - not legit issue as there isn't one on CD]. Greg describes it thus: "Post-Mad Curry similar to Colosseum & Moving Gelatine Plates" If anyone likes let me know - I have Mad Curry too]
 
[just listened to 1 DAAU, and i have to say i really question the inclusion of them here...proggy moments yes, but all the house/hip-hop pretty univentive/creative & rote/predicatable...imho, of course... [I LOVE funk btw - but exceptionally good funk, not stuff everyone & his brother's doing...even if the context may color it more interesting, it doesn't make the music in itself so..]
 
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I'm afraid I have not experienced some DAAU's later works which involve the house/hip-hop styling into their music. The one I have is quite good Chamber-ish music. But not enough rock in their to get it across the line. So maybe I will have to listen to some of these other albums.

Just wondering which "The Doubling Riders" have you been listening to? I have their "Doublings & Silence vol. II" which I think is great.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 05 2006 at 16:21
My feeling had nothing to do w/ the type of sound, it was the quality [of the writing, not playing]. I need to listen again and listen to the other i have if I want to be fair though. There's a certain level of creativity I need to feel/hear if I am to judge something as truly avant; and, of course, that's a rather subjective ism, to say the least! Also, a listen can be effected by many things...again, it needs more if i want to judge fairly...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 05 2006 at 16:27
Originally posted by Geck0 Geck0 wrote:

I've messaged Greg a few times before, so I may ask him to a copy of Mad Curry to one side.  I have more stuff to order in the future (just not quite yet, I have far too much to listen too).
 
Wow!: I was just searching a bit for MC info, and I saw a copy of the lp for $250.! Do people actually ever pay that much? Lordy! I've gone to nearly a $100. if i was madly desiring something, but...[and I usually make it back when I sell a rarity & get paid 'too much' for it]. Nonetheless..!
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 05 2006 at 16:32
I only know two albums by DAAU, namely 1995- "Magisches theater eintritt nicht fur..." and 1996 - "We need new animals". IMO these two are brilliant examples of chamber-rock, or if not "rock" - just chamber music then. To include them in prog-related is a joke (and not a good one). It's better not to touch them at all.
Just my opinion.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 05 2006 at 16:43
I have only heard Tub Gurnard Goodness myself... Embarrassed
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 05 2006 at 17:04
Originally posted by eugene eugene wrote:

I only know two albums by DAAU, namely 1995- "Magisches theater eintritt nicht fur..." and 1996 - "We need new animals". IMO these two are brilliant examples of chamber-rock, or if not "rock" - just chamber music then. To include them in prog-related is a joke (and not a good one). It's better not to touch them at all.
Just my opinion.
 
 
The only DAAU I know is 'Magisches...', which I agree is an excellent album of chamber rock. I've no idea whether this is typical of their output, though.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 05 2006 at 17:22
DAAU - They started out as you have mentioned in Chamber music, but this may sound archaic, which is not the case. It is free, fresh, modern sounding, energetic and emotional music without any trace of rock, therefore not prog rock, but only prog - there is a clarinet, voilin, cello and accordion (and a surrounding rhythm section)
Now, as you go on with their records you hear them experimenting more, introducing new "instruemnts" and other styles. New Animals still has them with the same basic concept only here you get guest musiciand which bring in guitars, bass, drums and what will be one of the dominant characteristic of their future releases - programming. Yet this album is still not too far away from its predecessor.
Moving on, you get mroe and more experimentalization and the getting away from the initial sound. They do progress in that aspect. You will finally arrive at what Claire described on the album Life Transmission (which is actually to me, good music), they brough in hip hop and invited Ya Kid K to do the rap vocals with them on one song called Mary Go Round.


Here is what their fan site says about this album:
"Mary Go Round features Ya Kid K on vocals. Lampshade features the Big Beek Band: Sarah Vermeyen, Liesbet Driegelinck, Boenox, Marc Goris, Tobe Wouters, Wietse Beels, Eva van Riet, Thomas de Smet, Els van Kriekelsvenne. Arranged & conducted by Adrian Lenski. Piano Dub is sung by Angélique Willkie. Fred Is Dread includes vocals by Fred Scheldaap.
1. Love You 0:19
2. A Sin So Nasty 4:44
3. Mary Go Round 4:20
4. Freeze 5:12
5. Lampshade 4:28
6. Voodoo Sim 5:57
7. Piano Dub 4:57
8. A Rain Song 2:48
9. Fred Is Dread 0:38
10. A Radical Chinese Duke 4:55
11. Life Transmission 4:02
12. King Of The Garlic 3:27
13. More Lost Souls 2:57

"Life Transmission" shows the remarkable development the band had gone through in the three years since the previous album. The electronic enhancements to the acoustic sound foundation are a lot more experimental and confident. A long roster of singers -- Angélique Willkie, Ya Kid K, Buni and Simon -- makes this CD the most vocal DAAU album, which actually scored the band a minor hit in Benelux ('Mary Go Round'). But maybe it's pianist Adrian Lenski who leaves the strongest impression on "Life Transmission", contributing orchestral compositions such as "Lampshade" and "Freeze".

For the ensuing 1 1/2 years on the road, DAAU performed as an octet, adding Adrian Lenski, drummer Yanek Kobalski and singers Karoline Kamosi and Gypsi Yilukusu to the line-up.
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This is what it says on their first album:
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The first album. Recorded live, with very few overdubs or other electronic wizardry, at the 'instituut voor dans en danspedagogie' (HIDD). Essential to anyone interested in DAAU's unique mixture of styles.

Driesl*gstelsels are complex, dynamic compositions created out of improvisation. "Driesl*gstelsel 2" became one of the band's signature tunes and a highlight of countless gigs, combined in one miniature symphony with "Suds & Soda".

drie'sl*g-stelsel: o., driejaarlijkse wisseling van bezaaiing bij graanbouw; stelsel waarbij telkens afwisselend 1/3 van het bouwland met winter-, 1/3 met zomergraan bezaaid wordt en 1/3 braak ligt. ("grain rotation" principle)

There are two (musically identical) prints of this album. The cover of the original release (on Jack & Johnny Recordings) is fairly simple on the front, and has nude pictures of the band members inside. The cover of the 1996 reissue on Sony Classical (called "Touralbum 1996") confronts you with an appetizing view of a loaf of raw meat.
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...New Animals:
"DAAU
Buni Lenski (violin), Roel Van Camp (accordeon), Simon Lenski (cello), Han Stubbe (clarinet), An Pierlé (vocals) on "Broken", Angélique Wilkie (vocals) on "Dip & Dodge", Michael Brook (guitar, bass), David Bouvé (guitar), Jason Lewis (drums), Phil Evans (programming)
1. No Rule 4.34
2. Hot Shades (My Medina) 5.17
3. Nix 2.26
4. Broken 4.52
5. Gin & Tonic 6.39
6. Oliphant 3.18
7. Waltz Delire 3.27
8. Traag 4.22
9. Dip 'N Dodge 5.03
10. Lady Delay 2.46
11. Lost Souls 5.11


"We set off for La Coruna in Spain, so we could rehearse acoustic playing all over again. The high point was a live concert in the church of San Eduardo there, where we recorded most of the pieces acoustically and live. We only brought together the acoustic & electric approaches together afterwards in the studio in Ronda, Malaga." (Phil)
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RICHARD OF YORK GAVE BATTLE IN VAIN (2002):
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Buni Lenski (violin), Roel Van Camp (accordeon), Simon Lenski (cello), Han Stubbe (clarinet), Janek Kobalski (drums)

released April 22, 2002 on Radical Duke Entertainment (PIAS 473.0001.070)

Produced by Han Stubbe. Home recorded and mixed by Han Stubbe except "Red" mixed by Phil Evans. All music by DAAU. Artwork by www.antigrafix.com - photography by Luis Alvarez. "Green" contains an excerpt from 'Love Will Tear Us Apart' from Joy Division. Also starring Yamina Cheufra, YUYU and Laura d'Halleweyn.

This first release on the band's own "Radical Duke Entertainment" label comprises music recorded for the dance play "Richard Of York Gave Battle In Vain" (also known simply as "Kleuren"). The CD features 32 minutes of music and is completed by MPEG video of three tracks ("Indigo", "Yellow" and "Violet") showing excerpts of the dance performance by Compagnie Thor.

The performance soundtrack also included "A Radical Chinese Duke", but since that song was released on "Life Transmission", it is not featured here. Otherwise, the CD is about the same as the soundtrack. The record is divided into the different parts that also make up the dance play, where each part corresponds to the "featured" color.
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Their latest is one I haven't heard yet, from 2006 called Domestic Wildlife.



    



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Originally posted by Syzygy Syzygy wrote:

Originally posted by eugene eugene wrote:

I only know two albums by DAAU, namely 1995- "Magisches theater eintritt nicht fur..."
 
 
The only DAAU I know is 'Magisches...', which I agree is an excellent album of chamber rock. I've no idea whether this is typical of their output, though.
 
Just listened to this, and I wholeheartedly agree :)

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