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smithers 
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 Posted: November 28 2006 at 21:41 |
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I checked the first link. I didn't like the way he plays. He pretty much taps his bass, which is only half the work. He sounded a bit sketchy in parts too
Edited by smithers - November 28 2006 at 21:46
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MattiR
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Posted: December 01 2006 at 11:44 |
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Squire, by far.
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Sasquamo
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Posted: December 01 2006 at 17:10 |
MattiR wrote:
Squire, by far.
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Sarcasm, I hope?
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Chus
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Posted: December 01 2006 at 17:20 |
TheProgtologist wrote:
smithers wrote:
Never heard of victor wooten. How good can he be if I've never herad of him in my life |
He is one of the premier bassists in the jazz rock/fusion world.His body of work alone is mind-blowing.
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Come on, how can you compare a guy whose music is not about technical skill (Squire) with someone whose technical skill is more palpable like that of Wooten's.... I personally believe that Squire is an effective bass player, but comparing him technically with a jazz fusion monster is a massacre... you could probably compare Stanley Clark with Wooten, being both of Jazz-fusion,
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smithers
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Posted: December 01 2006 at 17:28 |
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Both clips are very good, but he's just tapping the strings. I wanna see some standard bass playing techniques to really judge him.
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Posted: December 01 2006 at 17:38 |
I know Wooten from his work in the flecktones with Béla Fleck. But I don't care much for bass in these records. The only musical labels where bass gets my attention are funk and metal (metallica's Cliff Burton).
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Sasquamo
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Posted: December 01 2006 at 19:28 |
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The whole purpose of this poll was to test the bias of the voting community on deciding the skill of a musician. There was a right answer to this poll, and it was Wooten. Now you can say, "well that's just your opinion," but it's really a fact that Wooten has more skill than Squire and a million other bassists. You simply cannot debate it. I'm trying to show that when people decide skill, they either base it on their favorite player, who's more influential, or even the one's they actually know. I don't care if you prefer Squire's style better, this poll is about skill, and people can't seem to get that through their heads. It's true that people that don't play a certain instrument may be unable to judge skill, but in this case, if you've seen or heard Wooten play, you don't need to know anything about bass to know he's superior.
Anyway, so far 51 answers have been submitted (including my own). Only 30 of them were the correct answer. Therefore, the voter community scored a 59%, which is an F.
Results were a little better than what I expected.
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Camel_APPeal
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Posted: December 01 2006 at 19:36 |
smithers wrote:
Both clips are very good, but he's just tapping the strings. I wanna see some standard bass playing techniques to really judge him. |
Maybe I can help here:
Here he's jamming a groove with Carter Beuford; although he uses tapping most of the time he's using more standard techinques.
This is a wilder slapping extravaganza; a duel with his brother Roy Wooten on guitar. Again, some tapping, but most of the time is slapping.
Edited by Camel_APPeal - December 01 2006 at 19:37
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"After all, it's music what we're talking about here, so there's no best or worst; just what you like and what you don't"
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Chus
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Posted: December 01 2006 at 19:58 |
Sasquamo wrote:
The whole purpose of this poll was to test the bias of the voting community on deciding the skill of a musician. There was a right answer to this poll, and it was Wooten. Now you can say, "well that's just your opinion," but it's really a fact that Wooten has more skill than Squire and a million other bassists. You simply cannot debate it. I'm trying to show that when people decide skill, they either base it on their favorite player, who's more influential, or even the one's they actually know. I don't care if you prefer Squire's style better, this poll is about skill, and people can't seem to get that through their heads. It's true that people that don't play a certain instrument may be unable to judge skill, but in this case, if you've seen or heard Wooten play, you don't need to know anything about bass to know he's superior.
Anyway, so far 51 answers have been submitted (including my own). Only 30 of them were the correct answer. Therefore, the voter community scored a 59%, which is an F.
Results were a little better than what I expected.
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Oh well in that case I see your point  good thinking
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echocharlie
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Posted: December 01 2006 at 20:38 |
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The notions of "superiority" as related to bass playing "skill" are misguided methinks. What about Alain Caron?? There seems to be a curious lack of proper awareness here of this other "superior" bassist >>
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Posted: December 01 2006 at 21:48 |
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.
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smithers
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Posted: December 01 2006 at 22:45 |
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I'm not sure why this Wooten guy has been chosen ahead of 100s of bass players over 35 years. I saw 4 clips of him and I don't see how he considered better than many many bass players over time. Jaco is easily better. This Wooten guy uses different techniques, but I'm sure many many players could do the same thing he does with his thumb. It's a bit like playing a 6 string guitar along the neck. But this tapping and thumb slapping is alot easier than the usual techniques of plucking with your fingers. I don't like the sound of slapping anyway, gets annoying easily. I think Squire is more more talented bass player. I don't think Wooten could come up with bass lines like No opportunity necessary, No experience needed back in 1969 at the age of 19 or whatever Squire was. I think Wooten would be lost trying to improvise Squires bass lines in a Yes concert 35 years ago. This slapping sounds pretty silly and tapping is cheating ;). I could find many bass players who I think are more talented. And remember talent means nothing if you can't write exciting music to form a great song
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Arrrghus
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Posted: December 01 2006 at 22:55 |
smithers wrote:
I'm not sure why this Wooten guy has been chosen ahead of 100s of bass players over 35 years. I saw 4 clips of him and I don't see how he considered better than many many bass players over time. Jaco is easily better. This Wooten guy uses different techniques, but I'm sure many many players could do the same thing he does with his thumb. It's a bit like playing a 6 string guitar along the neck. But this tapping and thumb slapping is alot easier than the usual techniques of plucking with your fingers. I don't like the sound of slapping anyway, gets annoying easily. I think Squire is more more talented bass player. I don't think Wooten could come up with bass lines like No opportunity necessary, No experience needed back in 1969 at the age of 19 or whatever Squire was. I think Wooten would be lost trying to improvise Squires bass lines in a Yes concert 35 years ago. This slapping sounds pretty silly and tapping is cheating ;). I could find many bass players who I think are more talented. And remember talent means nothing if you can't write exciting music to form a great song |
Let's see, Wooten was just as innovative as Squire. He made new techniques to create new basslines. Also, Wooten was wowing people long before the age of 19. If you actually took the time to dive into his work, you'd realize he is an amazing player all around. He doesn't just tap.
This poll is just between Squire and Wooten. I think you have a case of "Squire came first, therefore he must be better" syndrome. 4 clps is no where near enough to experience an artist.
You don't seem to understand that this is a "most skilled poll."
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Sasquamo
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Posted: December 01 2006 at 22:57 |
smithers wrote:
I'm not sure why this Wooten guy has been chosen ahead of 100s of bass players over 35 years. I saw 4 clips of him and I don't see how he considered better than many many bass players over time. Jaco is easily better. This Wooten guy uses different techniques, but I'm sure many many players could do the same thing he does with his thumb. It's a bit like playing a 6 string guitar along the neck. But this tapping and thumb slapping is alot easier than the usual techniques of plucking with your fingers. I don't like the sound of slapping anyway, gets annoying easily. I think Squire is more more talented bass player. I don't think Wooten could come up with bass lines like No opportunity necessary, No experience needed back in 1969 at the age of 19 or whatever Squire was. I think Wooten would be lost trying to improvise Squires bass lines in a Yes concert 35 years ago. This slapping sounds pretty silly and tapping is cheating ;). I could find many bass players who I think are more talented. And remember talent means nothing if you can't write exciting music to form a great song |
So what you're saying is that Chris Squire could match everything Wooten plays, and there are some things Squire does that Wooten couldn't do? Yeah right, Wooten could easily play anything Squire has played first try probably, and Squire couldn't do half of what Wooten can do. And tell me, how do you improvise someone else's basslines? If you improvise just like someone else everyone should hate you. You do realize that most everything of what you see Wooten playing is improvised, right? You seriously think Squire could play what he does right on the spot?
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smithers
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Posted: December 01 2006 at 23:15 |
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Alot of that fast thumb slapping sounded a bit embarrassing to me. It's not about how fast you can play. Not many people in here are big fans of his music, so his talent doesn't seem to count for much. He could copy some great Squire bass lines, but those bass lines are written already. The writing is the hardest part which is a rare talent. Could he invent exciting music?
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Sasquamo
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Posted: December 01 2006 at 23:36 |
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Geez, whether people here like his music is totally irrelevant. Heck, I don't really like his music much at all. Of course that doesn't keep me from admitting he's amazing. Like I said previously, this poll was made to expose people's bias towards their favorite artists.
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MadcapLaughs84
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Posted: December 02 2006 at 00:23 |
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This Poll is ridiculous, of course Wooten
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smithers
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Posted: December 02 2006 at 01:23 |
Sasquamo wrote:
Geez, whether people here like his music is totally irrelevant. Heck, I don't really like his music much at all. Of course that doesn't keep me from admitting he's amazing. Like I said previously, this poll was made to expose people's bias towards their favorite artists. |
I am not amazed at those 4 clips. You telling me this guy is better than many great jazz and prog bass players who played through the 70s? These are guys with 30-40 years experience and people are saying this Wooten guy is better than all of them? I don't think so. He may be in the top 100 most talented bass players, who knows
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Posted: December 02 2006 at 03:47 |
Visitor13 wrote:
Sasquamo wrote:
Please base this purely on technical skill. |
Just making sure it sinks in. |
Sigh...
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smithers
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Posted: December 02 2006 at 06:24 |
Visitor13 wrote:
Visitor13 wrote:
Sasquamo wrote:
Please base this purely on technical skill. |
Just making sure it sinks in. |
Sigh... |
ok I choose chris squire then.
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