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Dalezilla 
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 Posted: November 28 2006 at 13:56 |
 el böthy wrote:
I read it, and I see what you mean. I would have to read the lyrics carefully, now I cant, Im going in about 5 minutes, but I think what you are doing is a big generalization...but then again it seem that so does Gildenlöw, so its hard to tell. But then again there is no right and wrong here, just opinions, and I respect yours and everybody else
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Yeah, well I just really don't like part where he sings "I'm sick of America". I don't really know the exact reason why I'm offended by that. Here in Finland everyone bashes America everyday and I find it really annoying. I've been quite angry recently because like I said everyone here bashes the US and now on top of that even my favourite musician is doing that. For whatever reason this just makes me angry. A small part of the reason is that a lot of Finns think that Canada and the US are the same thing. I'm Canadian and bashing USA in Finland is the often the same as bashing Canada and that makes me angry. But that's only a small part of the reason. The big part is the simple fact that with all the problems America has I still like it and don't like it being offended.
I too respect your opinions. No hard feelings mate!  I just have strong feelings about this issue.
Edited by Dalezilla - November 28 2006 at 14:23
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Posted: November 28 2006 at 14:05 |
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i think the main point here is that political lyrics have a significant effect on the art and our likeness to it
in the 60's and 70's, it is my guess(though i could be completely wrong) that this kind of thing was accepted, whereas today it is looked at almost laughingly, because you have people with little to no higher education discussing world issues, its just extremely pretentious, perhaps moreso than any other artistic expression, is to assume you know what is best for over 6 billion people when you yourself have little educational background, and even those that do have little ground to speak.
Most of the time bands go about these things in the incorrect manner, and often I see it as a desire for more power, flack, clout, whatever you will that results from a variety of reasons.
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This pretty much sums up my opinion on this "issue" perfectly. Gildenlow is a megalomaniac pure and simple.
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Arsillus
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Posted: November 28 2006 at 14:23 |
It's just a tasteless song. It doesn't even sound good. I know my country isn't the best and it's share of issues, but it's still very dear to me. I'm fine with criticism, but at least try to make it more than a childish diatribe. 
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Posted: November 28 2006 at 14:36 |
I am not listening to any samples. I will wait until I have the bloody disc spinning in my stereo and the booklet in my hand...
Though this sounds quite unsetling...
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Posted: November 28 2006 at 14:43 |
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Am i the only one who found the sample so damn catchy?!!
I went downstairs this morning singing `i'm sick of America!' ... yes it is childish, and the sample does indeed sound like a childish diatribe. However, i was pleasantly surprised about the samples after hearing all the bad press. They're really not that bad, people.
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Posted: November 28 2006 at 14:52 |
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Listened to that sample now; not anything interesting. I liked a couple of other samples from the album, but Im unsure of getting the album or not.
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Posted: November 28 2006 at 15:18 |
After hearing samples and such, I'm disappointed, really. I'm sure it will be at least "good," but as of now, I don't expect anything close to the level of TPE or Remedy Lane.
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Ed_The_Dead
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Posted: November 28 2006 at 15:25 |
Have faith goddamn it! 
Hopefully America will be the only song with such lovely lyrics.
BE was extremely controversial, and, in the end, I loved it.
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Posted: November 28 2006 at 15:28 |
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I have faith, Ed, but I also have previewed the tracks in another way, so I have a good taste of what the album will be like. Not nearly a complete picture and I hope my view will improve on buying the album, but the samples were definitely not mind-blowing.
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Posted: November 28 2006 at 15:29 |
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After hearing the song, I'm quite happy with how the music sounds, DG is a decent bass player, which was my main concern over Scarsick. As for the lyrics, though the line "I'm, sick of America" is rather unsubtle and obtuse, I'm not going to make any judgment on it untill I can read all of the lyrics to all the songs, its a concept album after all and could be out of context when seperate from the rest of it.
As for those bashing the music, remember you cant rate TPE or RL of only Ashes or Ending Theme.
Edited by sleeper - November 28 2006 at 15:30
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Ed_The_Dead
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Posted: November 28 2006 at 15:32 |
Well you are a proghead, aren't you? 
Therefore you should now that there are very few albums you get to listen samples of and can clearly state - OMG this is awesome!
Well, I myself need a lot of time to get into a new album by PoS.
I actually disliked them at 1st listen (BE)...
And now Gildenlow and co. are my fav band...
Lets just wait and see. I shall not touch any samples. Prog isn't something one should listen to in fragments.
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Posted: November 28 2006 at 15:57 |
Ed_The_Dead wrote:
Well you are a proghead, aren't you?
Therefore you should now that there are very few albums you get to listen samples of and can clearly state - OMG this is awesome!
Well, I myself need a lot of time to get into a new album by PoS.
I actually disliked them at 1st listen (BE)...
And now Gildenlow and co. are my fav band...
Lets just wait and see. I shall not touch any samples. Prog isn't something one should listen to in fragments. |
You mean Shadow Gallery arent your favourit band anymore?   The link from Equality is not to a sample but the entire song America, which is about 5 min long, which is why I likened it to Ashes and Ending Theme (though Used would probably be a better analogy).
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: November 28 2006 at 17:22 |
sleeper wrote:
After hearing the song, I'm quite happy with how the music sounds, DG
is a decent bass player, which was my main concern over Scarsick. As
for the lyrics, though the line "I'm, sick of America" is rather
unsubtle and obtuse, I'm not going to make any judgment on it untill I
can read all of the lyrics to all the songs, its a concept album after
all and could be out of context when seperate from the rest of it.
As for those bashing the music, remember you cant rate TPE or RL of only Ashes or Ending Theme.
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"I'm sick of America" isn't the most offensive language in the song nor the most childish.
On a different note though, does anyone notice a similarity between the
chorus of the song and the song America sung in West Side Story?
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Posted: November 28 2006 at 18:38 |
...am I the only one that thinks that this might be some kind of joke from Gildenlöw? I mean, to start the controversy? Tool does this kind of things...maybe Gildenlöw thought it would be fun, I dont know...its more than possible cause the lyrics and music are clearly not up there with the rest of POS material, and they did released this one, when some other samples (ilegal) were far better so...could it be Gildenlöw & co are setting us up¿¿?¿?¿
I guess we will have to wait and see
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Posted: November 28 2006 at 18:41 |
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
sleeper wrote:
After hearing the song, I'm quite happy with how the music sounds, DG
is a decent bass player, which was my main concern over Scarsick. As
for the lyrics, though the line "I'm, sick of America" is rather
unsubtle and obtuse, I'm not going to make any judgment on it untill I
can read all of the lyrics to all the songs, its a concept album after
all and could be out of context when seperate from the rest of it.
As for those bashing the music, remember you cant rate TPE or RL of only Ashes or Ending Theme.
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"I'm sick of America" isn't the most offensive language in the song nor the most childish.
On a different note though, does anyone notice a similarity between the
chorus of the song and the song America sung in West Side Story?
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Wait a minute, another thought here. If the album is a concept one (duh!) it could also be, that this not Gildenlöw "singing", but a character of the story? AHhhhhh...now that could be!!!
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Posted: November 28 2006 at 18:56 |
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I like the sample, not so much the lyrics but whatever. It seems a lot different than I thought, the song is very "happy" (although the lyrics aren't) -- I was expecting much darker music.
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Posted: November 28 2006 at 20:00 |
God, I almost can't believe the lyrics to this song are in such bad taste. This is more childish than the lyrics of a third hand black metal band. And even more childish than Roger Waters' lyrics. 
Honestly, this is seriously bad. The music as well, I'm afraid.
Edited by Uroboros - November 28 2006 at 20:01
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Posted: November 28 2006 at 21:49 |
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Dalezilla
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Posted: November 29 2006 at 02:38 |
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Just in case someone misunderstood what I was trying to say. I wasn't bashing the music. I'm sure the album will be great music-wise, I'm just worried about the concept. I really hate those lyrics in America.
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Posted: November 29 2006 at 10:07 |
el böthy wrote:
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
sleeper wrote:
After hearing the song, I'm quite happy with how the music sounds, DG
is a decent bass player, which was my main concern over Scarsick. As
for the lyrics, though the line "I'm, sick of America" is rather
unsubtle and obtuse, I'm not going to make any judgment on it untill I
can read all of the lyrics to all the songs, its a concept album after
all and could be out of context when seperate from the rest of it.
As for those bashing the music, remember you cant rate TPE or RL of only Ashes or Ending Theme.
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"I'm sick of America" isn't the most offensive language in the song nor the most childish.
On a different note though, does anyone notice a similarity between the
chorus of the song and the song America sung in West Side Story?
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Wait
a minute, another thought here. If the album is a concept one (duh!) it
could also be, that this not Gildenlöw "singing", but a character of
the story? AHhhhhh...now that could be!!!
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I doubt it givent he obvious anti-American vibe from the names of the
other tracks, and Gildenlow's previously expressed views of America.
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