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chopper 
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 Topic: New Beatles albumPosted: October 25 2006 at 11:20 |
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The "new" Beatles album for the Cirque de Soleil show is due out next month. Sounds interesting, more details here.
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IglooOnTwo
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Posted: October 25 2006 at 15:36 |
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Sounds really interesting! |
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chopper
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Posted: October 25 2006 at 17:59 |
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Some further info -
http://www.beatles.com/newsletters/Issue_16/index.htm "We are releasing the LOVE album in stereo and 5.1, November 20th. This will be the first Beatles album available in 5.1. The stereo CD will contain 78 minutes of music. The DVD surround sound version on DVD disc album will be a slightly extended version with 81 minutes of music." The LOVE CD and DVD track listing is:1. Because 2. Get Back 3. Glass Onion 4. Eleanor Rigby Julia (Transition) 5. I Am The Walrus 6. I Want To Hold Your Hand 7. Drive My Car/The Word/What You’re Doing 8. Gnik Nus 9. Something Blue Jay Way (Transition) 10. Being For The Benefit of Mr. Kite!/I Want You (She’s So Heavy)/Helter Skelter 11. Help! 12. Blackbird/Yesterday 13. Strawberry Fields Forever 14. Within You Without You/Tomorrow Never Knows 15. Lucy in the Sky With Diamonds 16. Octopus’s Garden 17. Lady Madonna 18. Here Comes The Sun The Inner Light (Transition) 19. Come Together/Dear Prudence Cry Baby Cry (Transition) 20. Revolution 21. Back In The U.S.S.R. 22. While My Guitar Gently Weeps 23. A Day In The Life 24. Hey Jude 25. Sgt. Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band (Reprise) 26. All You Need Is Love Edited by chopper - October 25 2006 at 18:00 |
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blbx93
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Posted: October 25 2006 at 21:59 |
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do u know when the album will be released in the states? and is it going to cost an arm and a leg? |
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Nowhere Man
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Posted: October 27 2006 at 16:27 |
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They always manage to scrape up another new Beatles album for the holidays.
Edited by Nowhere Man - October 27 2006 at 16:28 |
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Frasse
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Posted: October 29 2006 at 12:55 |
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chopper
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Posted: October 29 2006 at 13:08 |
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Basically it's surround sound.
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Certif1ed
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Posted: October 29 2006 at 16:13 |
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Home cinema/slightly advanced PC configuration where you have left and right speakers at both front and rear (like you do in your car), plus a front center speaker. That makes 5 speakers - the :1 is a subwoofer. http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jan01/articles/surround.htm 
Interestingly, Pink Floyd used a system that had speakers both above and below the audience in quite early concerts - and developed a device to control it. I think it was called the Azimuth Co-ordinator, and Rick Wright used to control it during gigs. The earliest setup went into a paltry 4 channels, but later developments went into 8. This was as nothing compared to the early electronic composers however... 
Can't wait to hear the "new" Beatles album - although I'm sure it's well and truly over-hyped, I know I'll like it
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mystic fred
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Posted: November 06 2006 at 19:01 |
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what exactly have they done here - is it a 5.1 / stereo remix or remaster??
 and....about time too!.....
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Posted: November 07 2006 at 04:01 |
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Any plans for release of a CD single or EP alongside the full length album?
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Posted: November 07 2006 at 04:21 |
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sounds interesting, but it can be just a money maker for the producers.
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Dick Heath
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Posted: November 27 2006 at 13:19 |
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Now have a copy of Love and frankly not as enthused as the media (press and radio) have been in UK. Only a handful of tracks indicate:
a) what a good mash/remixer can do
b) that a good masher can do something extra-special because they have access to the master tapes and the go ahead from the band in question.
Do a websearch, and you can't fail to find examples of what remix/mash djs can do, and when often limited to the use of commercial CD recordings (not the masters, where a singer or an instrument can be cleanly isolated from the rest).
I'm sure there is a dilemma with this recording, caught with being reverential to the originals and not sure how far to take the mashing, so as to make something very different from the originals. One track here seems just plain daft - a Harrison tune played backwards. The acoustic opening of Blackbird is glued onto the front of Yesterday, and the change over is noticeable and for me, jarring. Some mashing works, Within You & Without You with Ringo's drums from TNK, works particularly well. Strawberry Fields Forever, is a cheat in some respects, with an alterantive take being used initially, with at least a verse heard before the familiar drums come in, and then closes with lots of brief samples from many other Beatles tunes while hanging on to all the pocket trumpet solo from Penny Lane. Elsewhere the early tunes seem to suffer little from some 21st century tampering, apart from sounding to be very well remastered.
I predict the really interesting stuff will come after the copyright disappears, and mashers of 2050's will feel free to mash together allsorts of bands from the masters without copyright issues impeding them.
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mystic fred
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Posted: November 27 2006 at 13:28 |
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George Martin and his son spent 2 years on this project for Cirque de Soleil - fair enough but why not now just reissue straight state of the art remasters of each album?
these recordings are perfect in their original form, i'm very suspicious of "mashing". or 21st century tampering.
Edited by mystic fred - November 27 2006 at 13:31 |
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salmacis
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Posted: November 27 2006 at 13:49 |
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Ah, the copyright law- apparently, the 50 year rule is staying the same after a recent review. Quite frankly, I think some catalogues will be treated by independent labels than the bigger companies!!
As for this Beatles 'Love' thing, I heard a bit of it recently and wasn't really blown away. I'm happy enough with the back catalogue as it is, which is a complete joy to listen to at any time. You planning to slip any of this into your radio playlist at some point, Dick? Would be intrigued to hear what the critics were raving about so much. |
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Scapler
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Posted: November 27 2006 at 16:22 |
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It is funny how new Beatles CDs keep coming out, and keep selling and being good as well!
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Dick Heath
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Posted: November 28 2006 at 06:06 |
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Strawberry Fields is scheduled this Thursday. Noticed what I call a 'Holdsworthian effect' being introduced: by sampling a guitar solo from a different tune, and pasting it into the middle 8 of another, there results a very post-Beatles tangential-to-main-theme-solo. That sort of thing makes me want to go back and listen again to the new musical effect produced. Now on a 4th thorough relisten, and believe there has been some attempt to rebalance the levels of various instruments on some tunes, perhaps to emphasise the vocal. Some of the Love mash may be more subtle than a first listen would suggest, but there again may be over-subtle and lost as a result (on both those familiar and unfamiliar with the originals).
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chopper
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Posted: November 28 2006 at 08:11 |
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I don't have the CD/DVD yet but it's on my Crimbo list. I'm looking forward to hearing it in surround sound.
I do wonder how much they have tampered with things. The Yellow Submarine Songtrack was the previous attempt at "meddling" with the Fabs back catalogue. Some pieces, such as "Nowhere Man" sound fantastic, but there are a few changes that I didn't agree with. Listen to the beginning of "All You Need Is Love" to hear how much the vocals were brought forward in the mix. Also Lennon's repetitions of the lines in the final verse of "Yellow Submarine" now start a line earlier than on the original.
Petty, you may say, but I believe these things shouldn't be tampered with. Improve the sound yes, but please don't remove all those "idiosyncracies" that make the Beatles records interesting.
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salmacis
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Posted: November 28 2006 at 13:29 |
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Ah excellent, Dick. Shall look forward to hearing it.
Smoothing out rough edges is something else entirely though, I agree, Chopper. I have similar feelings about re-recordings- I really don't agree with musical revisionism, it was good enough then for fans so why not now? I may get this in the 5.1 version, actually. |
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StyLaZyn
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Posted: November 28 2006 at 13:39 |
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I picked this up. I like it quite a bit. The mash-up of Beatles material is cool, but it left me wanting more. The CD is an album listening experience. Start to finish is how to listen to it, not to be put into a multi-CD shuffle mix.
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Dick Heath
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Posted: November 29 2006 at 07:28 |
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Whole-heartedly agree - but might be tempted to progamme out the more syrupy tunes! And I will admit the most of the album grows on me the more I play it, since I'm intrigued to work out where the samples have been lifted from, so holding my attention. But then I must admit too, the compilation of Drive My Car, Say The Word etc. as a single tune, instantly reminded me of those Stars On 45 medley covers of 20/25 years ago.
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