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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 17 2006 at 18:29
Thanks for that link, some interesting reading.

Just out of interest, on the French front. What did you think of Hellebore? I have been trying to find this on vinyl for a little while now with little success. I will just have to patient. Their "IL Y A Des Jour" album has been rocketing rapidly up my favourite album list.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 17 2006 at 18:51
I like Il y a des jours, even a lot. Need mroe listens but so far it is up to my expectations.
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 17 2006 at 19:00
Adam, do you know Ensemble Rayé?  They've been mentioned in your absense, so was curious to know what your thoughts are on them.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 17 2006 at 19:08
Afriad by name only, don't own any of their material. WHat are they like? Do you think they would be something I would like?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 17 2006 at 19:12
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Not rio at all from the samples on their site. Nice stuff, but not too exciting.
Listen here:
 
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 17 2006 at 19:22
Interesting... unforunately for some reason I could not load their home page. Had a look around to see what people had to say about them. Seems they get lumped with some of the early RIO bands. I guess it cannot be too bad. Will have to find some more tracks to listen to.

ALso I see there has been a bit of excitment about Xaal while I was gone
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 17 2006 at 19:26
Yes, Xaal not being Zeuhl... I've yet to listen yet, but I will hopefully soon.  May grandmother is coming to stay from tomorrow until Thursday, so I don't know how much I'll be around.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 17 2006 at 22:08

Well I heard both Ma Banlieu Flasque and Mahogany Brain. The first one I liked and was actually surprised because I was expecting something else and not fusion, canterbury etc. (not sure about RIO though, but again, more listens are needed).

As for Mahogany, maybe it's because I wasn't too attentive, but I was a bit dissaponted. Maybe too amorphic, shapeless for me, but I will try this again.

Anyway, I am happy to try new things.

OK, Adam, what else?

 

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 17 2006 at 23:29
The only problem with Ma Banlieue Flasque is that it's a bitch to spell!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 18 2006 at 02:17
Originally posted by avestin avestin wrote:

Well I heard both Ma Banlieu Flasque and Mahogany Brain. The first one I liked and was actually surprised because I was expecting something else and not fusion, canterbury etc. (not sure about RIO though, but again, more listens are needed).


As for Mahogany, maybe it's because I wasn't too attentive, but I was a bit dissaponted. Maybe too amorphic, shapeless for me, but I will try this again.


Anyway, I am happy to try new things.


OK, Adam, what else?


 


 


    

Hmmm... I will have to have a browse through some of my stuff. Is there anything in particular you are looking for in regards to things other than the Japanese and French scene?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 18 2006 at 02:33
I'm going to "investigate" No-Neck Blues Band, thanks to you, Adam, they sound most intriguing!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 18 2006 at 02:38
I think they are worth the while, they are quite free form, so I am hoping this is not going to be problem. The first release I heard by them was there release with Embyro and this lead to furthure interest. At times they remind me a little of 'Third Ear Band', but a little more experimental.

Here is some more information on the band along with some great pictures:

The No-Neck Blues Band



Let's dispense with the mythology right off the bat -- the No-Neck Blues Band isn't a group of anonymous modern-day hippie-commune mystics, eating mushrooms all day while listening to rare Don Cherry records. They have names, in fact: Dave Nuss, Keith Connolly, Dave Shuford, Jason Meagher, Pat Murano, Matt Heyner, and Michiko. While a number of them do, in fact, live communally in a four-story loft building in West Harlem, NYC -- aka The Hint House -- they are for the most part simply a group of relatively young down-to-earth professionals, artists, and academics who happen to make incredibly challenging and rewarding music when they decide to play.

That's not to say that they don't enjoy a sort of self-imposed obscurity. They do, largely due to the fact that they self-release almost all of their material on their own sound@one (s@1) record label, and usually in incredibly limited quantities. They've long preferred to perform in private spaces indoors or public spaces outdoors rather than rock clubs, and performances usually take on an almost ritualistic aspect (such as their annual Orthodox Easter shows).

Over the almost fifteen years of their existence, their improvisations have morphed from free-jazz- and experimental-noise-inspired jams to those more akin to the stoned folk freakouts of YaHoWha, Siloah, Amon Duul, Mahagony Brain, Trad Gras och Stenar, or... German experimental krautrock masters Embryo, with whom they released a collaboration earlier this year.

Ultimately, however, their music sounds like no one else's. Others have combined acoustic folk instrumentation with experimental electronics, but none come even close to the always-shifting yet somehow instantly recognizable NNCK sound.


The four albums we share here span the years 1998-2004, which in our opinion was the period of time during which they truly became the greatest American improv act working today. More recent titles, such as the aforementioned collaboration with Embryo, Embryonnck, and this year's Qvaris, are still available, and we encourage their purchase wholeheartedly.

Also available is their best-known release, Sticks and Stones May Break My Bones but Names Will Never Hurt Me, which was produced by Jerry Yester (of the Lovin' Spoonful) and released on John Fahey's Revenant Records. (Aside: Fahey became an ardent fan of NNCK late in his life, and performed at the Hint House on more than one occasion. So did Michael Hurley, but that's another story...)   

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 18 2006 at 02:58
Got it as your sig I see, very nice!  They look like a fun band to be around.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 18 2006 at 14:48
Just a little change in direction. I cannot remember if these guys have been discussed in this thread, but I guess I cannot hurt to try again. Am just listening to their first album at the moment and think people here should be enjoying this.

Opus Avantra



Donella Del Monaco - LP

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A unique group in the italian scene, Opus Avantra mixed together contemporary classical music with avantgarde and a light progressive rock inflience, giving an original result that's often considered too difficult to listen for straight prog rock ears. Their name was obtained from their three main interests, opera, avantgarde and traditional music.

Formed in Veneto in 1973 around the nucleus of soprano Donella Del Monaco (the niece of famous tenor Mario Del Monaco), pianist-composer Alfredo Tisocco, philosopher Giorgio Bisotto and producer Renato Marengo, and aided in the years by many other musicians, the group released their first album in 1974, Opus Avantra - Donella Del Monaco (often referred to as Introspezione, from the title of the first track) on the collectible Trident label. 
Usually considered their most accessible work, the album is built on classical-inspired themes with complex arrangements and dominated by the nice soprano voice of singer Del Monaco and good flute playing, with just an instrumental track, Rituale. The band also had a good live activity promoting their album in Veneto and Rome.

Donella Del Monaco was absent on the second album Lord Cromwell (plays suite for seven vices), that follows in the same style as the previous work, being replaced by an american chorus. Former Nuova Idea drummer Paolo Siani played on this album, that like the first one contains some interesting passages for the adventurous listeners.

Both Alfredo Tisocco (along with Gruppo Italiano di Danza Libera in 1975's Katharsis) and Donella Del Monaco (with 12 canzoni da battello in 1977 and Schoenberg Kabarett in 1978) also released individual albums in the same vein, and the duo reunited under the name Opus Avantra for a third album in 1989, Strata, and a CD-only fourth release in 1995, Lyrics.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 18 2006 at 15:10
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Have Introspezione and Lord Cromwell and love them both. Weird, sometimes maybe tried too hard, and not listener friendly, but I like it. I recommended it a while ago in the I Recommend thread.
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 18 2006 at 15:34
I have only recently discovered them and have been impressed with what I have heard. I know what you mean about the trying a little too hard. But I was sucked right in with the gothic-classical touch they have in there music. The Italian seem to have a strange talent at making RIO which is delicate yet unaccessible (a strange but effective mix). Will definitely check out more of their albums in the future. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 18 2006 at 17:06
Hmmm... I was just flicking through someones collection on Rateyourmusic and found out something I didn't know.

Yoshihide did a compilation with Bob Ostertag called twins, also featuring Chris Cutler!



Twins!

(Sank-ohso Discs/Creativeman Disc., CMDD-00030) (CD)


  1. Wacked/ Herb Robertson (parent) (3:58)
  2. Exercises for Currency/ Yoshihide Otomo (twin) (6:51)
  3. 3 Bear Rooms (Dust)/ Chris Cutler (parent) (4:42)
  4. The Power of Success/ Bob Ostertag (twin) (5:44)
  5. Fruits from Viet Nam/ Michiyo Yagi (parent) (3:55)
  6. 4 Rooms of Hong Kong Stuntman/ Yoshihide Otomo (twin) (6:35)
  7. YouÕre Going Nowhere/ Bob Ostertag (twin) (5:28)
  8. Tabbing Will Get You There Faster/ Bob Ostertag (twin) (5:08)
  9. Otok/ Yoshihide Otomo (twin) (6:23)

Track 1
Herb Roberson: a Holton trumpet and Le Roy S. Green mouthpieces exclusively
This trumpet solo was performed plunger muted.
Recorded February 28, 1996 at the Corner Store Syndicate Studio, Brooklyn, New York
Engineered by Jon Rosenberg

Tracks 2, 6, 9
Yoshihide Otomo: sampler and hard-disk recorder
Sampled guests: Sachiko Matsubara (voice-2; sampling materials-6), Yumiko Tanaka (shamisen and vocal-6), Shuichi Chino (piano-6)
Recorded July 2-5, 1996 at Lost Space in Tokyo
Recorded and mixed by Yoshihide Otomo

Track 3
Chris Cutler: gongs, tubular bell, kit drums, Tibetan finger cymbals, clay drum, woodblock, tambourine and radio
Composed by Chris Cutler
Produced at Studio Midi-Pyrenees in Caudeval, France, 1996
Engineered by Bob Drake

Tracks 4, 7, 8
Bob Ostertag: sampler
Recorded June-July, 1996 in San Francisco
Recorded and mixed by Bob Ostertag

Track 5
Michiyo Yagi: 17-string and standard kotos
Composed and arranged by Michiyo Yagi
Recorded January 31, 1996 at Sound Pot in Tokyo
Engineered by Masaki Sasaki
Recording adviser: Akikazu Nakamura


Bob Ostertag used an Ensoniq ASR-10 sampler, EmagicÕs Logic Audio and Deck II.

Produced by Shigenori Noda
Mastered July 14, 1996 at Infinite Audio in San Francisco
Engineered by Bob Ostertag
Cover concept: Bob Ostertag and Yoshihide Otomo
Photography: Phyllis Christopher
Design and artwork: wokshy-oishi

*Notes of making ÒtwinsÓ
Step 1: Ostertag, Otomo and Noda each choose a Òparent.Ó
Step 2: Each ÒparentÓ makes a piece of their choosing.
Step 3: Ostertag and Otomo each make a ÒtwinÓ using pieces of the Òparent.Ó

*Twins! is also a variation of Yoshihide OtomoÕs Sampling Virus Project.

Released 1996



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For those who are unfamiliar with the works of Mr Ostertag. Here is a little information from Wikipeida



Early career

Raised in Colorado, Ostertag studied at the Oberlin Conservatory of Music. In 1976, he formed the improvisation ensemble Fall Mountain with Ned Rothenberg on reeds and Jim Katzin on violin, himself on electronic keyboard. The ensemble released Early Fall in 1979.

Later that same year, Ostertag relocated to New York City, where he befriended John Zorn, Fred Frith, Zeena Parkins, and several other musicians interested in collaborative improvisation. In 1980, Ostertag released Getting A Head with guitarist Fred Frith and drummer Charles Noyes. Ostertag's use of sampling, tape manipulation, and electronic self-made instruments created a unique sound and approach to improvised music. Following the release of Getting A Head, Ostertag became the first of his generation of musicians to have his work presented at The Kitchen, at the time New York City's premiere venue for new music.

[edit] Musical inactivity

With his sudden success came a greater involvement in politics, specifically in the turbulent revolutions and counter-revolutions of South America in the 1980's. In response to the political climate, Ostertag released Voice of America. As Ostertag became increasingly involved in such political issues, and increasingly dissatisfied with the music industry, he moved to El Salvador in 1982 and, for the nearly seven years, abandoned music altogether. His experiences in El Salvador were later synthesized into his piece Sooner or Later.

Ostertag became an expert on the political crisis in Central America and published widely for a diverse range of publications, including Piensamiento Propio (Nicaragua) Piensamiento Critico (Puerto Rico), The Guardian (London), the Weekly Mail (South Africa), Mother Jones and the NACLA Report on the Americas (US), AMPO (Japan), and even the clandestine theoretical journal of the New People's Army in the Philippines. He alternates his time in Central America with organizing and public speaking in the US, giving lectures at Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Rutgers, and many other schools and institutions.

[edit] Return to music

Ostertag returned to music in 1989 and toured with Fred Frith's Keep the Dog. Ostertag released Attention Span in 1990, featuring Frith on guitars and John Zorn on saxophone. Ostertag follows Attention Span with the release of Sooner or Later, his musical response to his years in El Salvador and the first part of a trilogy to treat the themes of grief, anger, and joy. In 1992, The Kronos Quartet commissions a new work from Ostertag. This commission produces the landmark work All the Rage. Ostertag composed the piece using a recording of a riot for gay rights in San Francisco. Ostertag originally conceived All the Rage as a collaboration with writer/painter/photographer/film maker David Wojnarowicz, but David was ill with AIDS. When David dies before the collaboration can take place, Ostertag makes a second, solo piece from the riot recordings, Burns Like Fire, and dedicates it to Wojnarowicz. In 1993, Ostertag forms Say No More, a virtual quartet, with drummer Joey Baron, bassist Mark Dresser, percussionist Gerry Hemingway. The group's music was actually composed by a computer and sampler from separate individual performances and then released as Say No More in 1993, the live - In Person in 1994, Verbatim in 1996 and Verbatim Flesh & Blood in 2000.

In 1999, after 10 years working with the same sampler, Ostertag switches to a laptop computer and begins writing his own audio performance software through Max/MSP. This allows him use various controllers, including joysticks, game pads, and drawing tablets in his performances. This same year, Ostertag releases Like A Melody, No Bitterness his first CD of solo improvisation. This CD is a tribute to his sampler that he spent the last decade mastering as an instrument. Ostertag has also scored multimedia pieces such as Spiral in 1996. In 2000, Ostertag begins work with Pierre Hébert and Baltazar López on a full-scale multi-media and theater work, Between Science and Garbage, commissioned by Meet the Composer and the Yerba Buena Center for the Arts in San Francisco.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 18 2006 at 17:27
Does anyone have either of these albums? I'm having a little bit of trouble finding themCry, if you do I would love to hear them

Jonsson, Lach'n (Lars) [Sweden]
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Music From the Dying Forest (85, released as J. Lachen)
Songs From the Cities of Decay (89)

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In the second half of the 80’s Zut Un Feu Rouge member, multi-instrumentalist Lars "Lach’n" Jonsson put out couple of solo albums. Both albums are SUPER-HIGH QUALITY releases, which hardly compare with anything else, probably because they are results of crystal clear audion (=musical vision).

Music For the Dying Forest is his first full-length presentation. On this he played strings, some keys, guitar, drums, tuned percussion, etc. He was helped by Johan Hedren and Mats Paulsson (friends with whom he established mighty Ur Kaos), but also by other guys and girls on trombone, bass clarinet, soprano sax, alto sax, recorder, voice, piano and bass. Musically, timbrally and texturally richer than any of the ZUFR releases, Music For the Dying Forest serves as a superbly crafted mixture of ZUFR at their least punky, dark(er) RIO school, choral vocal polyphonies (all sung by Lach’n who owns a wonderful baritone), Swedish / Scandinavian folk music, maybe even pre-Scandinavian (pre-Viking), Asian and Arabian modalities, etc. Perhaps there are some similarities with Anglagard’s Epilog, but Music For the Dying Forest WAS RELEASED NINE (9) YEARS BEFORE the best neoprog band’s album came out (there’s no doubt who was inspired by who). I’m painstakingly trying to make a comparison, but this is Sysiphos’ work after all, 'cause Lach'n's music is really unique. Instead I’d say that MFtDF is intense, playful and loose, with poisonous dark vibrations radiated from everywhere across it. All tracks are great, but of special mention are very vivid "Eldbevekelse", which starts like Area on 45 rpm, "Amazonas" which amazes me due to the presence of 16 ton Tibetan drums, crushing down in between female choir and whining bass clarinet, while "Frusen Bark", "Hybris", "Humbaba Och Cedrarna" (lyrics inspired by Gilgamesh epic), "Vattnets ...", "Skogen Flyr" for instance, exemplify intermingling of melody, dodecaphony, harmony and dissonance to a stunning effect. Fantastic!!!

Song From Cities of Decay is more feathery or better said atmospheric, less busy, more delicate when comparing it to predecessor and incorporates plethora of menacingly hovering sounds. It is bridge between MFtDF and sounds of Ur Kaos. From the first listen I know this is one of the most important records in European progressive music, along with RIO releases. However this one again is not falling squarely into RIO genre, but it has some ties to it. Things are going from grave to sable, all throughout sombre or downright exalted (anthemic vocals of Lach’n make a great contribution to that), bordering on the plaintive rather than on devilishly mocking, so don’t expect the titter of UZ’z muses here. Lach'n is playing all instruments and had carefully sung all vocals of its own, producing gorgeous harmonies and strange counterpoint not heard since the era of shining Gregorian chorales. Here it is hard to detect accurately certain instruments, because the music immediately pulls you into into itself, let you inertly watching how your body swirls in it, but also allows you to take a breath with each new track. And lets you do nothing more. Tracks are mostly short, ranging from minute and half to three minutes and half, until you came in front of the portal of "Monuments", a 24+ minute long symphony; on the original LP, the whole side B. Lach'n's composing and performing skill leads you through succinct and effective themes, again from medieval to chamber to industrial, ambiental if you like and back to barocco-classical. Words fail me, or better said they seemed quite useless, as it seems I'll never manage to describe the exquisiteness of these records. If description would be inevitable, I’d say this is superb Hyperborean avant-rock. Both albums are indispensable for any serious fan of progressive music. -- Nenad Kobal


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 18 2006 at 17:37
"Perhaps there are some similarities with Anglagard’s Epilog, but Music For the Dying Forest WAS RELEASED NINE (9) YEARS BEFORE the best neoprog band’s album came out (there’s no doubt who was inspired by who)."
 
Nevermind the term Neo associated with Anglagard, but if there is some similarity between those two albums, I would love to hear this as well.
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 19 2006 at 00:17
Have you listened to much Schicke, Fuhrs & Frohling?  Apparently one of their songs was a big influence in Anglagard too.  I've heard the track in question and didn't notice any similarities, but I'll listen again in the future.

I'm looking forward to hearing Zeut Un Feu Rouge.
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