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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2006 at 22:44
Originally posted by BePinkTheater BePinkTheater wrote:

So( sorry I'm being noobish her, but I'm new to this genre and just love everything to death, I love the music, the sounds, the idea, and even the culture and people of it! but i still feel like I don't "get" a lot of things in it) are there bands that are definitely post rock and exerimental/drone bands that are accepted into that genre, but are prog enough to be in the prog archive's version of that genre?
 
Like... can a band be undoubtably post rock, but not be accepted here because their brand of post rock isn't proggy enough?


Well there are post-rock bands that aren't in the archives because they're more related to another genre (like pop for example), but if there's a band that's 100% post-rock then I don't see why they shouldn't be in here.

The bands that we rejected aren't here for a reason and I can tell you why two of them are rejected. I don't know the other two. Piano Magic is too comercial and more pop than your average post-rock and Eluvium has more to do with ambient and drone than post-rock.

There are other cases when we have trouble deciding if the band is really post-rock or not like in Rachel's. This band is often mentioned with others from the genre, but their sounds is clearly neo-classical. I haven't heard of Jaga Jazzist yet, but the debate on them is wether we put them on the jazz rock/fusion genre instead of the post-rock genre since they have both of them in their sound.

So you see, most of the bands we have trouble with are the ones that are borderline with another genre or that are just use post-rock as influence to their sound.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2006 at 22:46
Originally posted by king of Siam king of Siam wrote:

Just discovered GY!BE this past week.
It's brilliant, atmospheric epic.


That's good to hear King of Siam.Clap I hope that with this you'll be interested in finding more about the genre and artists. I know I did and look where I am now.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2006 at 22:48
Hmm interesting.
 
May I ask why drone bands aren't in here? I think its a great genre, and very innovative and exciting, definitely "progressive", IMO and I tihnk if we're gonna throw math rock into post rock, we can surely throw drone rock in there too.
I can strangle a canary in a tin can and it would be really original, but that wouldn't save it from sounding like utter sh*t.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2006 at 22:52
To be honest I don't know that much about drone bands or genre except for Cluster and the previously mentioned Eluvium. There are some bands in the genre that have some drone elements in their sound like Set Fire To Flames, but I can't answer you that question since I'm not well educated on this.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2006 at 22:56
Yea, I don't know that many big signed bands either, but there are a lot of drone artists where I live, one whom I am really good friends with, and will possibly collaborate with soon, and I just think its great stuff. Mostly improvised music,that completly expresses emotion and feelings through a drak, usually loud, setting. There are jsut some really beautiful things going on in that music.
I'll try to do some research, and if we can find enough drone bands that you guys think are prog enough, we can add them in and open up the post rock genre to drone music.
I can strangle a canary in a tin can and it would be really original, but that wouldn't save it from sounding like utter sh*t.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2006 at 23:06
Originally posted by chamberry chamberry wrote:

Originally posted by king of Siam king of Siam wrote:

Just discovered GY!BE this past week.
It's brilliant, atmospheric epic.


That's good to hear King of Siam.Clap I hope that with this you'll be interested in finding more about the genre and artists. I know I did and look where I am now.
So do I really have to look?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2006 at 23:07
That sounds great. I'll be looking forward to that info. To be honest I think if we're going to add a drone band to the archives, the best place to put them is on progressive electronic along with the drone works from Klaus Schuzle and Tangerine Dream unless they have a post-rock feel to them then we (the post-rock team) will take them into concideration.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2006 at 23:09
Originally posted by king of Siam king of Siam wrote:

Originally posted by chamberry chamberry wrote:

Originally posted by king of Siam king of Siam wrote:

Just discovered GY!BE this past week.
It's brilliant, atmospheric epic.


That's good to hear King of Siam.Clap I hope that with this you'll be interested in finding more about the genre and artists. I know I did and look where I am now.
So do I really have to look?


If you want to...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2006 at 23:20
Originally posted by chamberry chamberry wrote:

Originally posted by king of Siam king of Siam wrote:

Originally posted by chamberry chamberry wrote:

Originally posted by king of Siam king of Siam wrote:

Just discovered GY!BE this past week.
It's brilliant, atmospheric epic.


That's good to hear King of Siam.Clap I hope that with this you'll be interested in finding more about the genre and artists. I know I did and look where I am now.
So do I really have to look?


If you want to...
I'll flip a coinLOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2006 at 23:27
LOL Come on already!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 12 2006 at 12:30
  I vote look! Its definitely fulfulling if you love GY!BE.
Nothing you will find will disspoint you (hopefully).

It seems like this genre is a hit or miss... either you "get it" and love it to death, or just can't stand it and don't understand what the fuss is.
I can strangle a canary in a tin can and it would be really original, but that wouldn't save it from sounding like utter sh*t.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 12 2006 at 15:16
Originally posted by BePinkTheater BePinkTheater wrote:

Hmm interesting.
 
May I ask why drone bands aren't in here? I think its a great genre, and very innovative and exciting, definitely "progressive", IMO and I tihnk if we're gonna throw math rock into post rock, we can surely throw drone rock in there too.


Playing three really, really slow notes over and over again for 20 minutes and calling it a composition isn't prog.  This subject comes up every now and then, and I really don't see what IS prog about bands like Sunn 0))), unless you consider any band with long songs to be automatically prog.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 13 2006 at 11:55
Originally posted by Bryan Bryan wrote:

Originally posted by BePinkTheater BePinkTheater wrote:

Hmm interesting.
 
May I ask why drone bands aren't in here? I think its a great genre, and very innovative and exciting, definitely "progressive", IMO and I tihnk if we're gonna throw math rock into post rock, we can surely throw drone rock in there too.


Playing three really, really slow notes over and over again for 20 minutes and calling it a composition isn't prog.  This subject comes up every now and then, and I really don't see what IS prog about bands like Sunn 0))), unless you consider any band with long songs to be automatically prog.
 
You should ask Philippe if any bands in the krautrock and progressive electronic sub-genres displayed on the site follow that description... If they do, we will have a refreshing angle to look at this issue.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 13 2006 at 13:04
I'd hardly call drone music "Playing three really, really slow notes over and over again for 20 minutes ". I think that statement is quite ignorant, but for lack of time and resources I can't really back up my argument either...
I can strangle a canary in a tin can and it would be really original, but that wouldn't save it from sounding like utter sh*t.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 15 2006 at 16:53
ok.
So I talked to my friend who has much more knowledge of drone music than I do, and this is what he said
 
"some really good drone bands, in the realm of drone/ doom or doom metal type stuff are Sunn 0))), Boris and particularly Nadja, who are really amazing.
Sunn 0))) also has two side project type bands called Khanate (which are more noise oriented) and Ginnungagap, who play acoustic doom-- using acoustic guitars, tambouras, and other kind of 'native' droning instruments.
Also Boris & Sunn O))) just released a collaboration album together.

Acid Mother's Temple, a psychedelic band from Japan are really amazing... they have some drone music, like the other cuts on their album in which they play Terry Riley's In C, and songs like "what do i want to know?" are really the epitome of psychedelic drone, but a lot of their stuff is more heavy psych freak out hahaha

mmm... terry riley and la monte young are also considered kind of like the godfathers of drone music-- they are more in the realm of 20th century classical-- and are no where near the intensity of today's doom metal, but are still amazing to check out... as well as Tony Conrad (a friend of The Velvet Underground & Faust)

Some modern drone artists who are very different from the doom oriented stuff are Daniel Menche, who uses alternate sound sources to make his music (like broken glass), Molasses (a side project band of Gy!be, fly pan am, etc...) who sound more like droning, eerie post rock, and also some of David Kristian's less electro oriented work, like Room Tone... whom are all coincidentally on alien 8 records (www.alien8recordings.com), based out of Montreal

there is also a lot of really quite stunning drone driven experimental pop music like Animal Collective and Our Brother the Native, who also have a heavy folk tinge.

I also suggest you check out Folke Rabe-- just because of how subtle and almost completely 'non-musical' his compositions are... like a recording of the hum of a fluorescent light

if you're looking for anyone on myspace either check out Expo '70 (www.myspace.com/exposeventy), who are based out of Missouri, and are good friends with a friend of mine who makes music under the name Cantus Firmus (www.myspace.com/cantusfirmus)... but his music is more psych folk oriented, in the vein of popol vuh-- but is definitely worth hearing.

but i would say out of everyone i've listened-- Nadja, is the epitome of what you're looking for-- they have post rock, ambient, doom and heavy drone elements-- i would check out their only full length 'Truth Becomes Death'... really amazing stuff "
 
I'll try right now to get some more info on some of these bands and websites and such.
but if we stil want to give this drone thing a try... those are some bands he feels worthy of mention.
I can strangle a canary in a tin can and it would be really original, but that wouldn't save it from sounding like utter sh*t.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 15 2006 at 18:04
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drone_music
 
This has a pretty extensive artical about modern drone bands and where the genre originated.
 
I'm sorry I'm moving this thread into other waters...
 
So to keep it on topic.
I'm glad to see topics like these floating around more often now. There seems to be a lot of people interested coming into this one, and also there has been great feedback in the "What's your all time favourite Post-Rock album".
Its cool to see more people taking interest in this genre ( myself included, as I've only been a fan for a few months now...)
I can strangle a canary in a tin can and it would be really original, but that wouldn't save it from sounding like utter sh*t.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 15 2006 at 19:03
Alot of the drone bands in the wikipedia article are in PA. There are also some bands you didn't mentioned, but are on PA as well like Bardo Pond, Flying Saucer Attack and maybe Ghost to a lesser extent. Most of this bands use drone elements, but none are 100% drone (if it excists).

About Drone/Doom metal then I wouldn't say since I'm not a prog metal speciallist.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 15 2006 at 21:04
A nice Post-Rock band for me is Jasmin, they've got free complete MP3 downloads for free on their page on Last.fm.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 15 2006 at 22:35
Originally posted by BePinkTheater BePinkTheater wrote:

I'd hardly call drone music "Playing three really, really slow notes over and over again for 20 minutes ". I think that statement is quite ignorant, but for lack of time and resources I can't really back up my argument either...


Uh, I've listened to a ton of the aforementioned "drone doom" and actually enjoy some of it, but you can't deny that bands like Sunn 0))) and Boris (well, the latter mostly in their dronier moments, they don't fit exclusively into this category) rely on extreme simplicity for the effect generated by their music.  It has the capacity to be interesting stuff, but it's a pretty big stretch to consider it part of the progressive rock movement.  If some of the other bands to whom you were just refering are dramatically different from this then we'll view them on their own merrits, but regardless of my apparent "ignorance" on the subject, the prog-metal team has rejected both of the aforementioned bands, and I have yet to hear a contemporary of theirs for whom I could forsee us making an exception.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 16 2006 at 03:47
I have been crazy involved in Post-Rock recent 2 years. Explosions in the sky and Dirty Three changed my life essentially. 
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