Jarre: Progressive Electronic or Prog Related?

Please man I said I'm not so familiar with Scultze solo work but for what I heard I believe he culd be here but I will also quote myself because if we talk about fallacies....:

Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - November 10 2006 at 06:05

Certif1ed wrote: Ricochet wrote: I'm afraid I don't appreciate Tomita's transpositions (except the Pictures good resonance). Making things artificial is something I truly hate when it happens over at electronic. On the opposite factor, squeezing emotion out of buttons is a crafty thing. Making things artificial is what happens when you try to squeeze music into a tired old tradition of chopping the natural interval of an octave into 12 unnatural steps which are by nature, unrelated - ie, not in tune with each other, hence we have equal temperament. A synthesiser is an artificial instrument - it produces sounds by manipulating tones through oscillators. In and of itself it has no emotion - and cannot have. Identifying emotion in music is not a science - for all you know, there might be a wealth of emotion in Tomita's transcriptions. In short - where music is concerned, it is all artificial, and yet none of it is artificial. It all contains emotion, and yet none of it does - the lack of either are not reasons to hate music.

In and of itself may have no emotion, but it can get within such a substance and such a ... "credibility"...that it's an emotional music.

Of course there is no science in identifying emotion. It's an impression and ultimately you guide yourself towards the thing that speaks out more load, more appropriately or more profoundly.

Music, by the general though may be, but in depth it's emotion, it's a human expression etc. Concerning Tomita (and electronists or musicians, why not), it's not the synthesizer being deeply artificial and sharply unsubstantial, it's the artist with his hands on the synthesizer, making out the music and modelating his intentions. I don't hate Tomita's synth artificiality, I dislike Tomita's general concept of doing plastic shapes from normally emotive reasons.

...in short.

Certif1ed wrote: Ricochet wrote: I don't judge "pop" as "popular". I judge pop as sweet easy music that attracts the heart of a simple man. And who are you to judge that a man is simple? Pop is short for Popular - that's all there is to it. Pop music isn't necessarily sweet, and intelligent people can like it as much as "simple" people. Don't forget that thousands of people attended his concerts and bought his recordings - especially the ones I mentioned.

popular isn't a prog qualificative or a dis-qualification.
from here came my question, if there is anything wrong with Jarre gathering up an incredible audience and a general interest? - is this the true source of it being made pop, in a blatant close-minded way? cause I'm tired of...repeating questions.

Certif1ed wrote: Ricochet wrote: Certif1ed wrote: He uses electronic instruments - so do most pop groups. Shall we say that Soft Cell, Visage and Tubeway Army were Prog-Related or Progressive Electronic? They ONLY used electronic instruments and in a very progressive way. It's hardly their fault it caught on and became popular. He does more than using instrument. He manipulated his style, he squeezed - as I've said - more that button,note and et caetera, he created a dimension out of the minimal range of his instrument. Technique being much more. You're incredibly devalorizing Jarre's intentions as an electronic musicians, I'm sorry to say that. I'm not devaluing Jarre's music at all - I would also throw in Cabaret Voltaire and the Human League for comparison - although it's a bit unfair, as I prefer the dark sounds of the latter to Jarre's happy "sweet" sounding music.

Ways and ways... In this, now accomodated, genre, I never implied Jarre is the obscure, the profound, necesarily the artist and so on...Happy "sweet" sounding music is a quality, not a reference.

okay, another rounded-up thoughts post:

1. "mainstream" artists doing interesting and innovative things isn't a complete progressive quality or reference. thus, if Jarre gets credited by that, you can't just go, take the Progressive Electronic Archives list and ask the question "why those aren't related". a more profound though, once more, please...
2. JARRE MUSIC ISN'T RELATED, SIMILAR OR ANYTHING ELSE WITH SCHULZE MUSIC. and Schulze is indeed much more prog and much more electronic magic that Jarre (sorry Bj)
3. the if X then why not Y argument is something I absolutely despise
4. Schulze has a place within the progressive electronic mainly and in an entitled way thanks to Schulze, not thanks to the one Electonic Meditation contribution (Kraut - choking experimental) or by the Ash Ra Tempel (krautrock-classic years; mild electronic ambient-the 2000 rejoice)
5. Ivan, Schulze has little to do with the Yamash'ta record, only drumming and something like that. moreover, the Yamash'ta records would be somewhere between Jazzy and Rockish.
6. Jarre is original in his way, Schulze is original in his way, Tangerine Dream is original by its merits, Kraftwerk is totally unoriginal (hahahah) etc. etc. etc.
   
7. bilek, much as I agree upon the Rock part in Prog Rock, I do not believe Prog Electronic cared enough for the Rock sintagma. Krautrock, by a previous main impulse, did (it's even titled Acid Rock), but the Electronic movement, generally, became adiacent. "mellow" Rock is best to believe. I mean...dear God to treat the entire Prog Electronic archive by the Rock criteria Many would fly off immediately, Tangerine Dream would be among the lucky ones thanks to Edgar Froese's occasionally ecclectic streaming. It's a bit of a conflict regarding Electronic's Rock impulse itself, I say leave it closed and firmly accepted.
   
8. Kitaro isn't prog. (oops, I'm stretching off the point )
9. Jarre's music is much more than plain pop, or just "electronic" (whatever it might be, without "progressive" moniker!). One only needs to give an ear, extensively. Well, at least to his first handful of albums, anyway!  >>>
   

Ricochet wrote: Ivan, Schulze has little to do with the Yamash'ta record, only drumming and something like that. moreover, the Yamash'ta records would be somewhere between Jazzy and Rockish.

Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - November 10 2006 at 23:34