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    Posted: November 09 2006 at 09:33
    I intend to upgrade my graphics card over the next couple of days and would like some advice,please.

My motherboard is an Asus P4s8x-x and only supports AGP8x.



I presume I want an Nvidia card (my old one is an ATI Rage 9500Pro and isnt great)

I am not into playing games much but I do use graphic programs like Adobe Photoshop and Paint Shop Pro.

I do watch DVDs on my PC and would probably like HDMI capability at some stage. I need a DVI connection too.

I usually shop here as it is 15 mins drive from my house:

http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/Products.ASP?CatID=15&Category=Graphics+Cards&Thumbnails=yes

I am prepared to spend up to around £100.
I have never installed a graphics card before so would be interested in a few basic installation tips.


Thanks in advance

BTW,I am thinking of buying this:

http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProductID=462643

thoughts?
    
    
    

Edited by Tony R - November 09 2006 at 09:51
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 09 2006 at 09:45
The best spec Nvidia AGP card in your price range (actually slightly above) is the XFX Geforce 7600GS.

It has a DVI output, I've got no idea what DVDi is so I can't help you there. Embarrassed

Most PC screens have a far higher resolution than normal TVs and many HDTVs so HD DVDs shouldn't give you a problem (provided your player can play them).

EDIT: Forgot the link http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProductID=443220




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 09 2006 at 09:50
Thanks Nicholas.

Meant DVI not DVDI...sorry.

    

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 09 2006 at 09:55
No problem.

BTW installing a graphics card is very easy, all you have to do is remove the old one, slot the new one in place and connect the extra power supply if the card needs one. Just make sure you touch a grounded metal surface before you touch the card as static electricity can fry the sensitive electronics.

Before you install the new card remove your old drivers as they can cause problems when you plug the new one in.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 09 2006 at 10:03
Yes,this issue of static worries me - do I need to purchase an antistatic strap?

Without sounding thick what exactly do you mean by "grounded metal surface"?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 09 2006 at 10:08
Well I got one when building my PC but if you're just installing a graphics card I wouldn't bother.

A good metal surface for getting rid of static is something like a radiator or a metal chair/table leg.

Technically any metal surface can be ground. Tongue


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 09 2006 at 10:33
Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Yes,this issue of static worries me - do I need to purchase an antistatic strap?

Without sounding thick what exactly do you mean by "grounded metal surface"?


I have been building PCs from scratch and exchanging components for ten years, and I'm perfectly fine without any professional anti-static "devices".

All you need to do is to touch the PC case with both hands shortly before you take the card out of the box and exchange it with the previous one ... also make sure you touch the case again after walking around in the room, especially if you're wearing sneakers or synthetic socks on carpeted surfaces.

BTW: The card is ok - currently there are no cards with HDMI interfaces, and I don't think it makes sense to wait for one - better upgrade the whole system next year, when Windows Vista / Direct X 10 and HDMI/HD-DVD/Blueray are out of the beta stage. Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 09 2006 at 10:39
Any advice is welcome,thanks Mike.

This task probably seems simple to you guys,but is a bit daunting for me. I have replaced CD/DVD drives on my current PC but they are on caddies..
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 09 2006 at 10:50
Before I built my PC I'd never done anything to the insides of a computer so it was very daunting for me when I saw all those expensive bits and tried to figure out how they all went together.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 09 2006 at 11:19
Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Any advice is welcome,thanks Mike.

This task probably seems simple to you guys,but is a bit daunting for me. I have replaced CD/DVD drives on my current PC but they are on caddies..


You only need to open the case and remove the screw for the graphics card. Then just try to pull the card out of the socket ... some cards have some kind of mechanism to secure it in the socket, in that case there'll be a small button/noose/whatever next to the pins (near the socket), which you'll have to push or pull in order to release the card. Sounds much more complicated than it actually is!

Wow, these things are difficult to put to words, at least in a foreign language!Embarrassed
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 09 2006 at 11:21
Originally posted by N Ellingworth N Ellingworth wrote:

Before I built my PC I'd never done anything to the insides of a computer so it was very daunting for me when I saw all those expensive bits and tried to figure out how they all went together.


For me the most difficult task is always to connect the LEDs/switches of the case to the mainboard. The documentation almost always sucks, so it's trial and error ...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 09 2006 at 12:41
Well my motherboard came with some handy adapters which you plugged all the LED and switches in to and then plugged that into the motherboard, nice and easy. Big smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 09 2006 at 16:46
Brilliant guys thanks.

I am reasonably confident and will attempt it tomorrow afternoon.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 09 2006 at 17:01
As Mike says, AGP interfaces often have a little lever right at the back of the slot that you may need to push down in order to remove the card. It re-instates itself "automatically" when you insert the new card, and as others have said, this should be simplicity itself.

I built my first PC from scratch back in 1991, when my father presented me with a bunch of bits that had been consigned to the scrap heap. I made an IBM PC - with a lovely 8088 chip and 256k RAM (No Hard Disk!). Fortunately, I was doing a degree in Computing at the time
    

    

Edited by Certif1ed - November 09 2006 at 17:18
The important thing is not to stop questioning.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 09 2006 at 17:23
So this will be easy right,nothing can go wrong.......
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 10 2006 at 05:15
Nothing - apart from the possibility of a duff board, you accidentally sending 50,000 volts into your system and inadvertently frying it, and the whole system crashing when you install the 50Mb of NVidia "drivers" (the driver bit is tiny, but both ATI and NVidia install a ton of crap that on occasions have been known to cause issues.).

Apart from that, it should be plain sailing...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 10 2006 at 16:50
well it has all gone pear-shaped.
I installed the card and driver after uninstalling the previous card's driver. Then I downloaded the updated the geforce drivers and installed them.
Every time I try and play any video media my pc either grinds to a halt or latterly my system went off and rebooted.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 10 2006 at 16:55
In the PM you said that when you put in a DVD it stops ... if it's related to playing videos then the graphics card may simply be broken. Ouch
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 10 2006 at 17:02
ok. that figures.

If I try and play any video,DVD,video file on PC then my PC crashes...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 10 2006 at 18:13
Try uninstalling the drivers and use the ones on the CD that came with the card.
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