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Rorro ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 31 2005 Location: Uruguay Status: Offline Points: 508 |
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I've got nothing against including miles davis, exept that if he is included then a lot of free Jazz musicians would have the same right to be here, why making a difference? , maybe i'm wrong, please someone correct me. |
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Cheesecakemouse ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 05 2006 Location: New Zealand Status: Offline Points: 1751 |
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Edited by Cheesecakemouse - May 10 2006 at 06:55 |
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Cheesecakemouse ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 05 2006 Location: New Zealand Status: Offline Points: 1751 |
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If anyone is curious about finding out more about Miles Davis and his electric period; the official website address is www.miles-davis.com
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Tuzvihar ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: May 18 2005 Location: C. Schinesghe Status: Offline Points: 13536 |
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Just to put it on the surface again. Let the discussion continue!
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"Music is much like f**king, but some composers can't climax and others climax too often, leaving themselves and the listener jaded and spent."
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Sean Trane ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Prog Folk Joined: April 29 2004 Location: Heart of Europe Status: Offline Points: 20414 |
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Yes I bbelieve he shoould be but in prog-related and not jazz-rock.
Him and Herbie Hancock made some very progressive records in the 70's.
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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Dick Heath ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Jazz-Rock Specialist Joined: April 19 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 12818 |
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Sean
If anywhere jazz rock fusion is the obvious place (although I'm hard pressed to identify a jazz rock as opposed a jazz funk or world fusion album - We Want Miles is perhaps the most obvious exception??? - rather than that ragbag of vagueries unfortunately labelled prog-related. If nothing else jazz rock fusion will be the most obvious place to look for Davis on this site.
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philippe ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 14 2004 Location: noosphere Status: Offline Points: 3597 |
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I think about proto-prog better than prog related! His electric period with ("bitches brew" and others) had a major impact in the developement of fusion jazz.
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oliverstoned ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 26 2004 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 6308 |
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Yes indeed, conSidering that we must include the whole discography, proto-prog fits better, it's not prog-related at all. Edited by oliverstoned - October 30 2006 at 08:29 |
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Alucard ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 10 2004 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 3888 |
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Everything that Miles recorded between 1969 and 1975 is Jazz Rock at it's best and worth inbeing included. BTW I am working on a Prog coulured Miles Davis Bio for an eventual inclusion. |
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Sean Trane ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Prog Folk Joined: April 29 2004 Location: Heart of Europe Status: Offline Points: 20414 |
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proto-prog would also fit me fine
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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Eetu Pellonpaa ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: June 17 2005 Location: Finland Status: Offline Points: 4828 |
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He should be included, but both proto prog and prog related definitions refer to "rock" bands. I think it would be good to just let him be presented as a jazz artists, not a rock musician. Thus jazz rock wouldn't be a good choice either IMO.
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Dick Heath ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Jazz-Rock Specialist Joined: April 19 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 12818 |
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May be there is a case to create a special category for very special musicians such as Miles Davis, which argubly don't fit into established categories. I would be very much against his inclusion in proto-prog and related. e.g. Extra special musician; any future addition would have to go through this type of debate/soul-searching and argued case before inclusion, before both "expert" and "lay" concensus is taken.
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Chus ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: October 16 2006 Location: Venezuela Status: Offline Points: 1991 |
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I think he's too "progressive" for progressive rock hahaha.... he's mainly jazz for christ sake... maybe we could also include Coltrane (that would be nice hahaha)
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Chus ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: October 16 2006 Location: Venezuela Status: Offline Points: 1991 |
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I agree with that entirely
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S Lang ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 01 2005 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 441 |
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MD belongs here IMO. He was a Jazz musician before '69, after which he not only created a different style that provided inspiration to Jazz-Rock legends trained under his guidance, but also released numerous albums that can only be seen as Jazz-Rock.
The Jazz fratenity chastised him for that and it should represent the time from which his albums should be included. "In a silent Way", "Bitches Brew", "Jack Johnson".
His previous Jazz output may not fit the site as it is today and a disclaimer to that effect should suffice. Prog-Related is not the place for someone who gave prominence to Jazz-Rock.
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Chus ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: October 16 2006 Location: Venezuela Status: Offline Points: 1991 |
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I just listened to some bitches brew and they surely blend some funk and rock.... unfortunately I found it too "free-style" to actually enjoy it... but surely it can sneak itself here among other jazz-fusion beasts
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S Lang ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 01 2005 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 441 |
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"Bitches Brew" is one of those albums that benefits from repeated listening, for there is so much depth to be found - eventually.
To deny recognition in Jazz-Rock is akin to offer a Queen a toilet seat in place of the throne.... Proto/Related suggestions offend enormously.
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Chus ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: October 16 2006 Location: Venezuela Status: Offline Points: 1991 |
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Certainly.. I agree with that... his jazz-fusion work can't be denied.
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micky ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 02 2005 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 46838 |
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hmmm
a huge fan of his earler jazz works... have noticed over the years though a big jazz fan I care little for fusion yet he belongs here in jazz-rock. A no brainer in my book. |
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S Lang ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 01 2005 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 441 |
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Totally agree with you Dick. I feel that at times Sean(Hugues) is completely off the planet, making comments on the run in order to review another artist(s) - and I don't mean to offend here. To suggest that Proto, or Related is suitable to MD is hard to digest.
BTW, We Want Miles is a fantastic double album and the tune "Jean-Pierre" was copied by McLaughlin, Jan Akkerman, Pat Metheny, John Scofield and perhaps many more. Edited by S Lang - November 17 2006 at 05:00 |
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