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marktheshark 
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 Posted: May 20 2005 at 17:28 |
 landberkdoten wrote:
Asia, Radiohead, Mars Volta? 
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I particularly agree with you on Asia. Back in '81 when I heard about this supergroup lineup, I thought my dreams came true. KC, Yes and ELP meshing together! WOW! Then I heard the album. RAZZZZZZ! The only word that came into my head was SELLOUT! If there is anything you can call pop-prog, that's it.
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Manunkind
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Posted: May 21 2005 at 05:36 |
JMCecil wrote:
Man Overboard wrote:
As for Dream Theater? Yes, they're progressive. A bit technical and showoffy, but we've had that in prog before. How can you listen to something like "A Change Of Seasons" and say "Well, this just isn't prog, not in any sense of the word"? That's like looking down at your cock and saying "Durrr! I'm a guuuurl!" (replace genders/organs if you're a female.)
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Playing scales and arpeggios in unison for 15 minutes IS NOT PROGRESSIVE, it's retarded. You got one thing correct. Most of the prg-metal is very derived from KC. The difference is that KC was into rhythmic interplay. How many scale sessions have you ever hear them do for entire albums? Changing the tempo in the middle of a song does NOT MAKE IT PROGRESSIVE. Change of Seasons is like the longest pile of poo that I ever heard try to be passed as prog rock. It's a wanna be pop/rock/metal/prog/ballad wank fest that fails at every single thing it tries to be.
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Even though I'm saying this as a kettle to a pot:
A fitting description of your attitude and tactlessness, JMCecil .
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"In war there is no time to teach or learn Zen. Carry a strong stick. Bash your attackers." - Zen Master Ikkyu Sojun
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omri
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Posted: May 21 2005 at 18:23 |
Asia, Radiohead, Styx & Roxy music are not realy prog. The same with Supertramp. But I do'nt feel it is that much of importance. I prefer a bit wider range than narrowing it. Anyway if some artist has done some prog then better review all his career. This way yoy get more information. It will look funny if (for example) the discography of Genesys will end after Wind & wuthering" .
What bothers me more is the lack of some good & inovative artist here such as :
Led zeppelin (they are at least prog as kansas & rush)
Deep purple (invented metal)
David Bowie (ca'nt you call it space prog ?)
Jefferson airplane (folk rock but american folk)
Kate Bush (art rock looks a fair way to describe it)
Steely dan (jazz-rock, fusion ?)
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limeyrob
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Posted: May 22 2005 at 04:33 |
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What about The Who. I guess many of the albums fall into R&R but what about their Rock Operas (concept albums) Tommy and Quadrophenia?
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Iron Orchid
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Posted: May 22 2005 at 16:49 |
Lets throw another one in
BE BOP DELUXE !
Bill Nelson what a guitarist !!!
( Art Rock ? )
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Now more than ever,TURN IT UP !
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hdfisch
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Joined: December 25 2004
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Posted: May 31 2005 at 09:21 |
 Absolutely agreed! I find as well that this never ending debate "To be Prog or NOT to be Prog" sucks incredibly! Genre labels are at all times relative things and a matter of subjective view!
mickstafa wrote:
WHY WHY WHY, does every other discussion on this board talk about what is or is not prog?!?!?!?! Every single day. "This band is prog.... No its not prog means such and such.... Well to each his own... Well, you suck then...."
Naturally with something as objective as a label on music, its prone to debate. I know I can choose not to read it, but sheesh, how about some more discussion? I like reading the boards (rarely post), but its the same damn thing over and over.
Its getting to a point where I hate to use the word "prog" because its such a loaded word. Talk about things you like, talk about things you find difficult to like, but please, enough with the prog non-prog debate. I guess I may get flamed for this, but hopefully some of you agree?
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hdfisch
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Posted: May 31 2005 at 09:41 |
 The only ones I might possibly agree to are Jefferson Airplane, at least before they changed their second name they did some kind of psyche folk rock, but then Grateful Dead should be added as well. The second one is Steely Dan, they might fit into fusion sub-genre. LedZep, although I like a lot, never have shown real significant prog elements, they were playing blues influenced R'R. Deep Purple is mainly a hardrock, although did some things with symphonic orchestra, mainly due to John Lord's affinity to classical music. The fact that "they invented Metal" as you claim (not quite whether it was them or Black Sabbath) does not make them Prog. I don't think "Metal" is regarded as a progressive element. In fact DP were playing originally a kind of heavy bluesrock, I'd not classify them as Metal, whereas BS shows more Metal signs (DOOM METAL). Well Bowie did many things from psyche rock over indie to pop rock, but to call him Prog, quite questionabe I'd say. Same with Kate Bush, she did some good stuff, but as well some more pop-ish things. Prog? No! Just my opinions about this!
omri wrote:
Asia, Radiohead, Styx & Roxy music are not realy prog. The same with Supertramp. But I do'nt feel it is that much of importance. I prefer a bit wider range than narrowing it. Anyway if some artist has done some prog then better review all his career. This way yoy get more information. It will look funny if (for example) the discography of Genesys will end after Wind & wuthering" .
What bothers me more is the lack of some good & inovative artist here such as :
Led zeppelin (they are at least prog as kansas & rush)
Deep purple (invented metal)
David Bowie (ca'nt you call it space prog ?)
Jefferson airplane (folk rock but american folk)
Kate Bush (art rock looks a fair way to describe it)
Steely dan (jazz-rock, fusion ?) |
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Borealis
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Joined: May 06 2005
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Posted: June 02 2005 at 17:14 |
JMCecil wrote:
Playing scales and arpeggios in unison for 15 minutes IS NOT PROGRESSIVE, it's retarded. You got one thing correct. Most of the prg-metal is very derived from KC. The difference is that KC was into rhythmic interplay. How many scale sessions have you ever hear them do for entire albums? Changing the tempo in the middle of a song does NOT MAKE IT PROGRESSIVE. Change of Seasons is like the longest pile of poo that I ever heard try to be passed as prog rock. It's a wanna be pop/rock/metal/prog/ballad wank fest that fails at every single thing it tries to be.
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Why do people blindly love dream theater or stupidely hate it? Man, that's pushing a bit. Change of Season is a great song. You might not like it, but the longest pile of poo you ever herd?... Can people you hate this band accept it as being bad prog? I mean, It's prog, no doubt, but it's not necessairly good. Why each time a guy like him hates a band, it is automaticaly not prog?
What I also really hate here is the 'If band X is prog, than band Y is prog too'. It's seem like the only argument a lot of people got when they want one of their band to be included. Like : 'Why do you think it's worth a place here?', and he just answer 'If Opeth is, then why not my band. It sound a bit like a Opeth...?' 
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