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Points: 5109 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 29 2006 at 15:14
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

2.- Bjorn Lynne: Here I repectfully disagree with my teammate HT who finds the some Prog moments in his music deserve the invclusion, (Not totally disagree because there are some moments), but after reading his auto biography, honestly I still believe he shouldn't be here, he has been sent to ELECTRONIC after an hours negotiation with HT (Hey we debate things inside the team and not always agree)


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Points: 19535 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 29 2006 at 15:16
Originally posted by bhikkhu bhikkhu wrote:


    
Ok, here is your argument. I like to know the origins, and that is one of the reasons I came to this site. That also includes finding out about the bands that are being referenced. I would be unsatisfied if there was only a blurb in an article. I want the same amount of info as other bands. If they are important enough to discuss, they deserve equal treatment. 
    
 
I agree with you HT, we need to understand the historicall events that lead to something diffenernt:
 
Those that don't learn from the past, are doomed to fail again
 
Why did Prog evolved to what we love? We will only understand the phenomenom if we know the history and Proto Prog is part off it.
 
If a band is here in any sub-genre or category, it must receive the same treatment as all the others.
 
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Points: 6419 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 29 2006 at 15:42
Originally posted by bhikkhu bhikkhu wrote:

Ok, here is your argument. I like to know the origins, and that is one of the reasons I came to this site. That also includes finding out about the bands that are being referenced. I would be unsatisfied if there was only a blurb in an article. I want the same amount of info as other bands. If they are important enough to discuss, they deserve equal treatment.


That's more like it! I see your point, and I must admit that it is pretty strong. But really, how hard would it be to look up those influential bands and records on sites like allmusic.com or wikipedia instead? Most of them are fairly well-known, so finding information wouldn't be such a big problem. As for the lesser known ones, there isn't much more information avaliable here than anywhere else.
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Points: 5109 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 30 2006 at 08:58
Originally posted by Philéas Philéas wrote:

Originally posted by bhikkhu bhikkhu wrote:

Ok, here is your argument. I like to know the origins,
and that is one of the reasons I came to this site. That also includes
finding out about the bands that are being referenced. I would be
unsatisfied if there was only a blurb in an article. I want the same
amount of info as other bands. If they are important enough to discuss,
they deserve equal treatment.


That's more like it! I see your point, and I must admit that it is
pretty strong. But really, how hard would it be to look up those
influential bands and records on sites like allmusic.com or wikipedia
instead? Most of them are fairly well-known, so finding information
wouldn't be such a big problem. As for the lesser known ones, there
isn't much more information avaliable here than anywhere else.


On a general site, they are treated like any other artist. Here, it is in a prog context. We could look up any band here on another site, couldn't we?


    
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The beatles and queen both deserve a place here.  However half of their albums are not prog in the slight bit.  Queen II and A Night at the Opera, as well as Abbey Road and Sgt. Peppers surely deserve their spot.
 
 
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Points: 828 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 31 2006 at 21:26
Originally posted by mystic fred mystic fred wrote:

Originally posted by Philéas Philéas wrote:

Every band in Proto-Prog and Prog Related ought to go in my opinion. Shame I can't make it happen... I will have to start a site of my own.
 
 
Good idea - i will visit your new site and ask......"where are The Beatles, Deep Purple, Iron Maiden, Queen and Wishbone Ash?" they were important to the development of Prog and should be here - you're only showing half the picture!!LOL
 
 
 
 


Classical music influenced many prog bands as much as the Beatles and such.  Do you really want to see Mozart listed here under proto-prog.

I agree with Phileas.  The whole proto-prog and prog related sections have to go.  If they're not prog, then why should they be on this site.  And now that Led Zeppelin is apparently getting in it looks like nearly anything can get in if enough people like it.

Maybe we could do forum "petition signings" on the site.  Like, if 100 senior members petition for a band to go, the admins think about getting rid of it.  I know that's not going to happen, but just an idea.
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Points: 65266 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2006 at 00:31
I assume the reason those bands were considered and included is because this site is striving to be a comprehensive and history-minded place rather than just pure prog only. Besides, there are plenty prog rock sites that don't and will never feature Zep or Maiden or Purple.
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Points: 28057 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2006 at 00:45
Yes
Genesis
Pink Floyd
Frank Zappa
Dream Theater
Univers Zero
Mike Patton
Pendragon
IQ
King Crimson
Jethro Tull
Kansas
 
 
 
 
Not prog enough. Geek
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Points: 21342 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2006 at 00:48
Originally posted by Philéas Philéas wrote:


We can apply the example you give without having those influential bands included on the site. We can write articles about them and how they influenced Progressive Music. We all know classical music influenced Prog, yet no classical composers can be found on the site.

Classical Composers that influenced progressive rock were never rock artists were they? The keyword here is Progressive Rock.Wink
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Points: 3928 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2006 at 13:36
Well I don't agree with removing bands. There are a few here that I wouldn't necessarily agree with- ELO, Fairport Convention, Triumph- but then, all of those are in prog related and HAVE done prog tracks. I think a key phrase is 'prog is in the ear of the beholder'.
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Points: 6419 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2006 at 14:24
Well since I appear to be getting nowhere fast, I'll accept the fact that the owners do whatever they want to with their site. But I still think they're doing it the wrong way. However, there are many good sides to Prog Archives aswell, I'll just focus on them and pretend that Prog Related and Proto-Prog never happened, or something...

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Points: 114 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 02 2006 at 00:54
Maybe the question should have been,
 
"What artist(s) do not belong in the archives, in your opinion.
 
Thereby removing any hint of 'removal' or critisicm of the site's administrators/reviewers/people who decide such things as who gets added etc.
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Originally posted by Philéas Philéas wrote:


We can apply the example you give without having those influential bands included on the site. We can write articles about them and how they influenced Progressive Music. We all know classical music influenced Prog, yet no classical composers can be found on the site.



What Classical Music being prog or proto-prog again? Geek
Isn't it plain obvious that it isn't a matter of influence or predisposition, but a situation of different artistic styles?!

Or do we all just, in a constant and unchanged way, tell our opinion, no matter how wrong it is?


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Opinions can't be wrong. 
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You know what they say about them though.....
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Yes.
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Points: 8138 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 02 2006 at 16:36
Not progressive in essence :
Deep purple
Iron Maiden
Queen
The Beatles
 
But I agreee they had an influence on progressive rock/metal bands
"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)
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100% of the CRAP!
90% of the NEO-PROG bands
80% of the PROTO-PROG/PROG RELATED bands
70% of the PROG METAL bands
60% of the AVANT JAZZ FUSION bands 
50% of the 3rd/4th TIER CANTERBURY bands
40% of the 90's bands
30% of the 80's bands
20% of the BORING SYMPHONIC PROG bands
10% of the JAPANESE band
 0% of the TRULY PROGRESSIVE BANDS
 
HugHug!Hug 
HugHugHug
HugHugHug
 
 
 
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Points: 28041 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2006 at 17:49
Queen
 
 
...even if Muse sound like them
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