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    Posted: October 22 2006 at 18:21
Do You think Captain Beefheart is considered proto-prog?

I don't think he is. I admire Beefheart and his work with the Magic Band and working with Zappa, but for me he's not Proto-Prog Rock. Is Beefheart proto-prog?
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Points: 13536 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 23 2006 at 10:56
He isn't. He's RIO/Avant-Prog on this site: http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_BAND.asp?band_id=1471

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Points: 2822 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 23 2006 at 20:47
Whatever you call him, he's definitely unique.  No one's ever really been on the same page (although I suppose U.S. Maple came close....).
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Points: 891 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 24 2006 at 19:28


I think RIO/Avant is a very good classification of him.
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Points: 7003 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 25 2006 at 18:23
When Chris Cutler set up Recommended Records (whose catalogue pretty much defines RIO, given that it was originally set up to distribute the bands who appeared at the RIO festival) he included a 'cultural heritage' section, albums which he and his fellow musicians considered to be seminal influences. These included Zappa's first two, Magma and Captain Beefheart's Trout Mask Replica and Lick My Decals Off Baby. In fact, with the possible exception of Faust (reissued by Recommended in the early 8os), it's difficult to think of anyone who's had a bigger influence on avant prog.
 
So the answer is: yes he is.
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Points: 39 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2006 at 17:09
No offense to CB fans, but I personally find his music shallow and maybe a little TOO RIO. I only have Trout Mask Replica though so maybe I havn't heard the right stuff...it just comes across as random and schizophrenic, as opposed to something more nuanced ala Zappa.

Zappa, Henry Cow and Fred Frith, Univers Zero, Art Bears, Zorn, etc... do RIO right.
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