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blindtoad 
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 Posted: October 19 2006 at 19:01 |
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Bonham wasn't the best drummer or even in the best but, nobody can sound like him... he was a great musician because et got is sound! I think this is the most important think to separate greats and worst musician... pat Metheny is not "technically" better than "Herman Lee" but when you listen a guitar solo from pat metheny you can't say... ErKKkK... it'S juste sounds GREAT but when you listen to Herman Lee your like on a boat in the atlantic sea... going up and down.... so... (after this little explanation) john Bonham wasn't a great "technical" or the best "never playing at the same BPM and the same time signature" drummer but he got a Great sound... and it's why he's one of the best rock(excluding prog) drummer but don't put banana with apple... it's like compare styx pianist with rick wakeman...
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blindtoad = Poor english...
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Sasquamo
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Posted: October 19 2006 at 19:45 |
 enigma wrote:
He was no Peart, Herb or Carey |
But people seem to think he was, hence the term "overrated."
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Posted: October 19 2006 at 19:46 |
Sasquamo wrote:
enigma wrote:
He was no Peart, Herb or Carey |
But people seem to think he was, hence the term "overrated." |
Bonzo wasn't known for his technical complexity.What made him special was his power.
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Sasquamo
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Posted: October 19 2006 at 19:53 |
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I can hit drums hard as well
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TheProgtologist
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Posted: October 19 2006 at 20:01 |
Sasquamo wrote:
I can hit drums hard as well |
If you don't like him you don't like him.I am not trying to change your opinion.I don't really care what you think about him.
And you can hit drums hard too..good for you.But you don't have the career he did,and aren't considered a legend,like Bonham is.
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Posted: October 20 2006 at 00:33 |
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It is inaccurate to consider John Bonham technically inferior, he was in fact just the opposite and like a great actor, didn't always show you that. Which brings me to my next point; Bonzo's greatness lay not just in his amazing chops and huge innovations, he was also *vital* to Zep's sound. Page and Plant tended to play high and thin in their attack, so with Bonham (and Jones) to provide bottom end ballast they were able to complete their sound and brought true 'bigness' to rock in a way no one else had. But the author doesn't like the band so why debate this at all?
And to say that he always played the same thing shows ignorance of his work; 'Achilles' Last Stand', 'How Many More Times', 'Poor Tom', 'Night Flight', on and on...
Edited by Atavachron - October 20 2006 at 01:49
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Eetu Pellonpaa
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Posted: October 20 2006 at 02:16 |
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Yes. (+ he was too keen of drinking, killed himself! with it)
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enigma
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Posted: October 20 2006 at 02:58 |
enigma wrote:
He was no Peart, Herb or Carey |
Sasquamo wrote:
But people seem to think he was, hence the term "overrated." |
I understand your argument, on a pure 'technical/odd time signature' rating, there are better drummers.
My point (admittidly not very clearly made) was that he had a different
style to those guys, which doesn't make him any worse, just less flashy
but just as thrilling and effective.
In the band context he integrated very well and the fact that they
realised they could not replace him, must say something about his input
and worth.
He had a style and sound all of his own.
This does not prove anything, but is an interesting link:-
http://www.digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_drummers.html
Edited by enigma - October 20 2006 at 13:28
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Posted: October 20 2006 at 03:10 |
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It is sad that JB must be defended, though nice to see that he is being stuck up for. The assumption seems to be that he would not have been able to 'keep up' with drummers who were doing more complex things, but this is quite false. In fact, if you were to ask Bruford, Bozzio, Peart or Portnoy what they think of him, I suspect it would be kudos all around,
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Posted: October 20 2006 at 03:24 |
definitely NOT "overrated"......John Bonham's influence on all rock music is incalculable - technically, artistically and personally, he inspired many drummers, had his own distinctive style. i've seen him play live and he was amazing - after he tragically died his involvement in Zeppelin was so huge the group couldn't continue in the same way without him - how many other bands could this apply to? John was absolutely essential to the group, like Keith Moon was to The Who.
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Posted: October 20 2006 at 03:28 |
Eetu Pellonpää wrote:
Yes. (+ he was too keen of drinking, killed himself! with it) |
of course many rock musicians have drink like the rest of us, John suffered terribly from nerves before a big tour, and tried to relieve this with drink, unfortunately the dangers of falling asleep drunk were well documented after the death of Jimi Hendrix, who suffered the same fate.
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Posted: October 20 2006 at 03:32 |
Sasquamo wrote:
Seriously, I think John Bonham is a wildly overrated drummer. I really don't think he's that great. Does anyone agree? I don't feel like listing all of my aruguments against him until I see some real opposition. |
Hudddd
Edited by R o V e R - October 20 2006 at 03:33
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Posted: October 20 2006 at 03:48 |
mystic fred wrote:
definitely NOT "overrated"......John Bonham's influence on all rock music is incalculable - technically, artistically and personally, he inspired many drummers, had his own distinctive style. i've seen him play live and he was amazing - after he tragically died his involvement in Zeppelin was so huge the group couldn't continue in the same way without him - how many other bands could this apply to? John was absolutely essential to the group, like Keith Moon was to The Who.
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He *was* amazing live. In fact he was the best and tightest member of that band and though by 1978 JPJ became the on stage coordinator, Bonzo was the rock, live or otherwise.
Edited by Atavachron - October 20 2006 at 03:50
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Posted: October 20 2006 at 03:53 |
mystic fred wrote:
Eetu Pellonpää wrote:
Yes. (+ he was too keen of drinking, killed himself! with it)
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of course many rock musicians have drink like the rest of us, John suffered terribly from nerves before a big tour, and tried to relieve this with drink, unfortunately the dangers of falling asleep drunk were well documented after the death of Jimi Hendrix, who suffered the same fate. |
A really idiot habit. Besides nothing irritates me more than literally stinking drunkards being not able to keep their mouth shut.
Edited by Eetu Pellonpää - October 20 2006 at 03:53
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Posted: October 20 2006 at 04:00 |
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Is that suppose to be a little joke?
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Eetu Pellonpaa
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Posted: October 20 2006 at 04:57 |
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Is that suppose to be a little joke? |
You mean my attitude towards drunkards? Definetelly not.
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R o V e R
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Posted: October 20 2006 at 05:13 |
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erik neuteboom
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Posted: October 20 2006 at 05:32 |
We have to watch out that we don't end this topic as John Bonham: only busy with alcohol 
Edited by erik neuteboom - October 20 2006 at 05:33
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Sasquamo
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Posted: October 20 2006 at 07:58 |
Atavachron wrote:
It is sad that JB must be defended, though nice to see that he is being stuck up for. The assumption seems to be that he would not have been able to 'keep up' with drummers who were doing more complex things, but this is quite false. In fact, if you were to ask Bruford, Bozzio, Peart or Portnoy what they think of him, I suspect it would be kudos all around, |
It's almost an unwritten law that you have to like John Bonham. Look what happened here when I said I didn't!
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Posted: October 20 2006 at 08:10 |
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you didn't say you don't like him, you said he's overrated. that's different.
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