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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 19 2006 at 07:15
Well Jimbo, if I look at the Prog Archives homepage the last weeks, it's flooded by Iron Maiden reviews and many other prog-related, prog-folk and Art-rock bands, it seems that many reviewers are more pleased to write about these bands ... and you can expect a huge Led Zep flood within a few weeks Wink

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 19 2006 at 08:32
Originally posted by erik neuteboom erik neuteboom wrote:

Well Jimbo, if I look at the Prog Archives homepage the last weeks, it's flooded by Iron Maiden reviews and many other prog-related, prog-folk and Art-rock bands, it seems that many reviewers are more pleased to write about these bands ... and you can expect a huge Led Zep flood within a few weeks Wink

Yes, this is true, but I don't see your point... We should let these bands in because they're well known and prog fans like them? Confused

Also, you may not think so yourself, but everytime we add another hugely popular supposedly "prog-related" group to the archives we're drifting away from our main goal IMO -- which should be to give information about the lesser known prog bands in the archives, not to praise well known "prog-related" albums that every music enthusiast already knows.  We spend too much time discussing possible prog-related additions (roughly half of the posts in the Suggest New Bands/Artists section seem to be about prog-related additions), and not nearly enough time discussing unknown, real prog bands. This is why your symphonic prog thread is excellent, Erik!

It is becoming increasingly difficult to defend the band-addition policy here. I almost laughed when I saw someone suggesting Faith No More to be added here. After thinking about it for a while, it started to make just as much sense as this Zep thing though. The bar is becoming so low that eventually we will have Sabbath, Cream, The Who, The Doors, Jimi Hendrix, Metallica, David Bowie here -- not a big concern for me, but calling this progarchives after that might be a bit cumbersome.

What do we actually gain by adding these bands to the archives? Almost all members here have already heard them, so it isn't about giving exposure to these groups -- I have never met a prog fan who hasn't heard Led Zep f. ex. As you already stated, the frontpage will be even more flooded with albums not done by prog bands. Is this a good thing on a prog site? Everytime a Led Zep review appears on the homepage, it will push a good, genuine prog album out of the frontpage into the archives. It might take weeks before someone opens that page again.

Oh well.. I know that this is what M@X wants and it will not change my life in any way, but I honestly think we need to set our priorities straight, and not bother with prog-related additions for a while.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 19 2006 at 08:54
serious suggestion: the home page could be dedicated to displaying reviews for only prog issues, and there could be a different page for prog-related reviews. and as prog comes from "progressive rock", i think that would also be the place for fusion.
    

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 19 2006 at 14:26
The reason why I don't have plans to make a Led Zep bio in short time (if I am allowed to do this) is because I prefer to write about symphonic prog bands that deserve it to be mentioned or to be added so in fact I agree with you Jimbo. I also agree that we are way too much discussing on the Forum instead of writing or making progress with developments on Prog Archives. Honestly, Andu his proposal is not a bad one Wink ...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 19 2006 at 16:44
If M@X says they're going to be added, I accept it (after all, Deep Purple and Queen are here, why not complete the circle?), but I'd rather see both the Prog Related and Proto-Prog categories remove. My arguments can be found in a thread suggesting the addition of Cream, currently on page 4 in this section of the forum.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 19 2006 at 17:06

To clarify, M@x has confirmed the may be added, he's not adding them.

While many have pushed for their addition, i don't think anyone has actually stepped up to add them yet.Confused
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 19 2006 at 17:39
I am willing to write a bio and add Led Zep to Prog Archives but not now, perhaps early November when I have more time and no other priorities. If anybody wants to write a bio and add Led Zep earlier, it's OK to me Thumbs Up
 
By the way, I pushed for a Led Zep addition but I don't like to be pushed myself Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 19 2006 at 17:40
I would love to write a bio for Led Zep!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 19 2006 at 17:59
Go ahead The Wizard, perhaps I can deliver some fine facts and quotes if you like, I have lots of specials and interviews about Led Zep in several Dutch and English magazines and books.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 19 2006 at 22:29
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2006 at 03:49
Can who ever write the biography please ensure it includes details of the pro related aspects of the band, i.e. it explains what it is about LZ's music which is prog related.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2006 at 04:56
^ I think LZ were influenced by other porg artists in their few songs, instead of them evolving the prog genre.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2006 at 05:14
Originally posted by erik neuteboom erik neuteboom wrote:

Go ahead The Wizard, perhaps I can deliver some fine facts and quotes if you like, I have lots of specials and interviews about Led Zep in several Dutch and English magazines and books.
 
...ME TOO!Wink
 
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2006 at 05:17
Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:

Can who ever write the biography please ensure it includes details of the pro related aspects of the band, i.e. it explains what it is about LZ's music which is prog related.


Here you go, a biography.

Led Zeppelin were a leading band in the progressive-rock related scene as they knew a guy who knew a guy who's sister dated a guy who liked Yes.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2006 at 05:35
You are really from another planet, ResidentAlien LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2006 at 05:41
Originally posted by ResidentAlien ResidentAlien wrote:


Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:



Can who ever write the biography please ensure it includes details of the pro related aspects of the band, i.e. it explains what it is about LZ's music which is prog related.
Here you go, a biography.Led Zeppelin were a leading band in the progressive-rock related scene as they knew a guy who knew a guy who's sister dated a guy who liked Yes.

    I'm glad I'm not the only one <at your post    <at the thought of Led Zeppelin being remotely related to prog
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2006 at 14:18
Originally posted by erik neuteboom erik neuteboom wrote:

You are really from another planet, ResidentAlien LOL


Nah, I just don't try and rationalize the inclusion of a band on a progressive rock website whose only remote link to prog are at most 4 songs out of an entire discography.

And the mention of the 2 Disc DVD earlier is rather absurd as I see it.  I have that DVD, have watched it straight through, and can't think of any progressive song on either disc.  Sure, there are long songs, but they aren't prog, just extended blues jams.  Long doesn't equate progressive.

Led Zeppelin are as much a progressive rock band as Green Day are punk.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 21 2006 at 13:54
Originally posted by ResidentAlien ResidentAlien wrote:

Originally posted by erik neuteboom erik neuteboom wrote:

You are really from another planet, ResidentAlien LOL


Nah, I just don't try and rationalize the inclusion of a band on a progressive rock website whose only remote link to prog are at most 4 songs out of an entire discography.

And the mention of the 2 Disc DVD earlier is rather absurd as I see it.  I have that DVD, have watched it straight through, and can't think of any progressive song on either disc.  Sure, there are long songs, but they aren't prog, just extended blues jams.  Long doesn't equate progressive.

Led Zeppelin are as much a progressive rock band as Green Day are punk.
 
I couldn't agree more.  Also, what is Greenday then?  I guess it's irrelevant, I still highly dislike them, even if they aren't punk.
 
How about prog-blues for Led Zeppelin? Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 21 2006 at 13:59
I like Deep Purp, also!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 25 2006 at 16:23
Originally posted by The Wizard The Wizard wrote:

I would love to write a bio for Led Zep!
 
 
                                                    
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