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    Posted: September 30 2006 at 20:14
Originally posted by space_craft space_craft wrote:

The fact that drugs f**k you up completely seems to be missing here. Let's legalise drugs but keep euthanasia illegal?

Some sort of irony?


The fact is that not all drugs do, when consumed in moderate amounts. Have you read through some of the more elaborate replies? If not, do.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 30 2006 at 20:12
A message to certified...are you saying it is ok to take illegal drugs?....please clarify. And, don't hide behind the nonsense of it's legal in other countries.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 30 2006 at 20:11
The fact that drugs f**k you up completely seems to be missing here. Let's legalise drugs but keep euthanasia illegal?

Some sort of irony?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 30 2006 at 20:07
Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

I love ressurecting old threads.

I said I said I would never try LSD and now I just have more proof. A friend of mine was telling me about a trip he had. It lasted 11 hours, and there were colors but what really got to me was the psychological aspect.

To quote him "I was a mother****ing philosipher!" He went on and on about how he just sat there questioning everything, every aspect about life and life itself. He claims that he solved everything, that everything made sense and it all got connected and he finally sat down and said...yes THAT is the meaning of life. He honestly thought he was God.

I dont know if it really opens up some special, spiritual part of your brain....but I do know I dont think I could handle it.
 
yes it opens some special, spiritual part of your brain.................Evil SmileYing YangClownWackoPigNuke
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 30 2006 at 15:31
Like Chamberry said, I have no intention to do drugs, but am curious what my favorite music would sound like on physchedelics.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 30 2006 at 15:29
Originally posted by maani maani wrote:

 

"Hey, all you young'uns here - you should all go out and buy lots of illegal drugs, fry your brains, and end up permanently believing you're an orange" that the line is crossed.



Quit stealing my thunder, maaaan(-i)! That's _exactly_ what I was going to say.

Now can somebody please peel me? Wink
 
Originally posted by maani maani wrote:


As for me, I made it clear that I while I am neither proud nor ashamed of my own experiences, I do not condone the willy-nillly use of any drug, including marijuana.
 


Didn't willy-nilly just get arrested for having 1.5 pounds (Shocked) of pot on his tour bus?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 30 2006 at 12:25
I can make myself think I'm God without drugs. Imagine what I would be on drugs...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 29 2006 at 18:11
I love ressurecting old threads.

I said I said I would never try LSD and now I just have more proof. A friend of mine was telling me about a trip he had. It lasted 11 hours, and there were colors but what really got to me was the psychological aspect.

To quote him "I was a mother****ing philosipher!" He went on and on about how he just sat there questioning everything, every aspect about life and life itself. He claims that he solved everything, that everything made sense and it all got connected and he finally sat down and said...yes THAT is the meaning of life. He honestly thought he was God.

I dont know if it really opens up some special, spiritual part of your brain....but I do know I dont think I could handle it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 03 2006 at 21:04
Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:


I've got a gold rule which is the key of moderation:
never on morning.

 
Wise word, Mr. Stone.
 

Well Harkmark, that really is a key solution when speaking of moderation and  drugs. If you can't spend a whole day without getting stoned, you have a problem. . Anyway, It mess your whole day, and you somewhat will problaby take more through and etc... That somewhat makes the difference between those who lifes to get high, and those who live to get high.
 
Of course, if you take something avery night, it's not the best, but there's is a problem when you're day start with breakfast, coffee and hash pipe...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 01 2006 at 22:18
Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:


I've got a gold rule which is the key of moderation:
never on morning.


Pretty way beyond my idea of a golden rule of moderation LOL Whats the point...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 29 2006 at 03:49
Originally posted by spacecraft spacecraft wrote:

The point is obviously being missed. Why is it ok to talk about drug experiences, and drugs used, but to state you have been pirating means you are seen as, almost, worse than a paedophile.

    
Maybe it's because this forum is full of musicians or people that know musicians or just people that are serious about music.

Think about it;

While we do not condone drug use in any way, few rock musicians can truly say that they have never tried a recreational drug - perhaps whilst on tour in a country in which it is legal?


Piracy, however, is stealing the work of musicians no matter how you look at it.

That's a crime whether it's legal in your country or not - no one on earth wants to have their hard work stolen - most of us want to be paid for our labours.
The important thing is not to stop questioning.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 29 2006 at 03:40

I've got a gold rule which is the key of moderation:
never on morning.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 29 2006 at 03:36
If you'll forgive me, Spacecraft, I think you're simplifying the issue a little here.

This thread has developed from a question regarding a single illegal substance, to a generalised debate on the pro's and con's of illicit drug use; to their credit, the moderators have allowed this potentially dangerous subject to continue, but under strict supervision to ensure that at no point does anyone advocate or recommend drug use - were any one member to post such an opinion, said member would be in danger of expulsion, and (I suspect) the thread shut down & deleted.

The issue of CD piracy, be it by lending/burning, or by the now more common file-sharing, has been covered many times in the past, and for various reasons. There is no reason why such a debate should not be started again, and no doubt argued well from both sides - but the bottom line remains the same: discussion of illegal activities is fine (to an extent, depending on the activity concerned ) on the strict condition that such illegal activities are in no way condoned, praised or recommended to others. The discussion of music piracy, in any of its many forms, is of special relevance to a site such as this; by having thousands of members, all of whom have large music collections (and all of whom want their collections to expand), the potential for huge levels of piracy is there for all to see. If the admin team were to be seen to be turning a blind eye to condoning piracy, there is the very real possibility of the music industry becoming involved, the site shut down for good, and potentially criminal charges being bought against those deemed 'responsible' - face it, it wouldn't be the first time .

I made the point a couple of pages ago that it doesn't matter how common drug use is, or how the user is percieved to be 'doing no harm', the fact remains, like it or not, the activity (be it drug use, file sharing, CD piracy or whatever) remains illegal and all members of this site must respect that fact.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 28 2006 at 19:44
The point is obviously being missed. Why is it ok to talk about drug experiences, and drugs used, but to state you have been pirating means you are seen as, almost, worse than a paedophile.
 
Both are illegal, but, drus sem to be the lesser evil?
 
If this was my post, it would have been shut down for me being honest (or at least stating my veiw, i pirate cd's)................more than double standards exist here.
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 28 2006 at 15:24
Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Originally posted by goose goose wrote:

Originally posted by maani maani wrote:

Hey, all you young'uns here - you should all go out and buy lots of illegal drugs, fry your brains, and end up permanently believing you're an orange

Well, I'm sold!

    
damn,I knew he was using subliminal messages but just couldnt prove it until now.....

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 28 2006 at 12:35
An interesting article from The New York Times, 8/28/06:
 
California Seeks to Clear Hemp of a Bad Name

STRATFORD, Calif. — Charles Meyer’s politics are as steady and unswerving as the rows of pima cotton on his Central Valley farm. With his work-shirt blue eyes and flinty Clint Eastwood demeanor, he is staunchly in favor of the war in Iraq, against gun control and believes people unwilling to recite the Pledge of Allegiance should be kicked out of America, and fast.

But what gets him excited is the crop he sees as a potential windfall for California farmers: industrial hemp, or Cannabis sativa. The rapidly growing plant with a seemingly infinite variety of uses is against federal law to grow because of its association with its evil twin, marijuana.

“Industrial hemp is a wholesome product,” said Mr. Meyer, 65, who says he has never worn tie-dye and professes a deep disdain for “dope.”

“The fact we’re not growing it is asinine,” Mr. Meyer said.

Things could change if a measure passed by legislators in Sacramento and now on Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger’s desk becomes law. [The bill reached Mr. Schwarzenegger last week; he has 30 days to sign or veto it.]

Seven states have passed bills supporting the farming of industrial hemp; their strategy has been to try to get permission from the Drug Enforcement Administration to proceed.

But California is the first state that would directly challenge the federal ban, arguing that it does not need a D.E.A. permit, echoing the state’s longstanding fight with the federal authorities over its legalization of medicinal marijuana. The hemp bill would require farmers who grow it to undergo crop testing to ensure their variety of cannabis is nonhallucinogenic; its authors say it has been carefully worded to avoid conflicting with the federal Controlled Substances Act.

But those efforts have not satisfied federal and state drug enforcement authorities, who argue that fields of industrial hemp would only serve as hiding places for illicit cannabis. The California Narcotic Officers Association opposes the bill, and a spokesman for the Office of National Drug Control Policy in Washington said the measure was unworkable.

Mr. Schwarzenegger, a Republican running for re-election, has been mum on his intentions, with the political calculus of hemp in California difficult to decipher. The bill was the handiwork of two very different lawmakers, Assemblyman Mark Leno, a San Francisco Democrat best known for attempting to legalize same-sex marriage, and Assemblyman Charles S. DeVore, an Orange County Republican who worked in the Pentagon as a Reagan-era political appointee.

Their bipartisan communion underscores a deeper shift in hemp culture that has evolved in recent years, from ragtag hempsters whose love of plants with seven leaves ran mostly to marijuana, to today’s savvy coalition of organic farmers and health-food entrepreneurs working to distance themselves from the drug.

Hundreds of hemp products, including energy bars and cold-pressed hemp oil, are made in California, giving the banned plant a capitalist aura. But manufacturers must import the raw material, mostly from Canada, where hemp cultivation was legalized in 1998.

The new hemp entrepreneurs regard it as a sustainable crop, said John Roulac, 47, a former campaigner against clear-cutting and a backyard composter before founding Nutiva, a growing California hemp-foods company. “They want to lump together all things cannabis,” said David Bronner, 33, whose family’s squeeze-bottle Dr. Bronners Magic Soaps, based in Escondido, Calif., are made with hemp oil. “You don’t associate a poppy seed bagel with opium.”

The differences between hemp and its mind-altering cousin, however, can be horticulturally challenging to grasp. The main one is that the epidermal glands of marijuana secrete a resin of euphoria-inducing delta-9 tetrahydrocannabinol, or T.H.C., a substance all but lacking in industrial hemp.

Ernest Small, a Canadian researcher who co-wrote a major hemp study in 2002 for Purdue University, compared the genetic differences to those that separate racehorses from plow horses. Evolution, Mr. Small said, has almost completely bred T.H.C. out of industrial hemp, which by law must have a concentration of no more than three-tenths of 1 percent.

To its supporters, industrial hemp is utopia in a crop. Prized not only for its healthful seeds and oils, rich in omega-3 and -6 fatty acids, but also its fast, bamboo-like growth that shades out weeds, without pesticides.

“Simply put, you create a jungle in one year,” said John LaBoyteaux, who testified in Sacramento on behalf of the California Certified Organic Farmers association. “There’s a growing market out there, and we can’t tap it.”

The bill before Governor Schwarzenegger is the latest installment in a hemp debate that reached its height in 2004, when the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals said that federal antidrug laws did not apply to the manufacturing or consumption of industrial hemp. The court ruled that decades earlier, Congress had exempted from marijuana-control laws the stalks, fibers, oils and seeds of industrial hemp, and that the government had no right to ban hemp products.

That opened the floodgates for Patagonia hemp jeans and the Merry Hempsters Zit Zapper (with hemp oil).

Patrick D. Goggin, a lawyer for the Hemp Industries Association and Vote Hemp, said there would probably be legal snarls to work out with the California legislation, assuming it is enacted, so that farmers would not be placing their property in jeopardy if they chose to grow industrial hemp. But if the federal government clamps down, Mr. Goggin said, “we’re prepared to raise the issue in court.”

“Were trying to get an arcane vision of the law contemporized,” he added.

Rogene Waite, a spokeswoman for the Drug Enforcement Administration, said the agency would not speculate about pending legislation.

The bill’s adherents point to hemp’s hallowed niche in American history. George Washington and Thomas Jefferson cultivated hemp (neither effort was profitable). Colonists’ boats sailed the Atlantic with hempen sails. Old Ironsides carried 60 tons of hempen sail and rope. The word “canvas,” in fact, is derived from cannabis, a high-tensile fiber naturally resistant to decay.

Hemp flourished as an American crop from the end of the Civil War until the 1937 Marihuana Tax Act ended production. During World War II, when Japan seized the Philippines and cut off supplies of Manila hemp, the crop got a brief reprieve in the United States, where farmers were encouraged to grow “Hemp for Victory,” for boots, parachute cording and the like. But contrary to lore, most such hemp was never harvested.

Today, China controls about 40 percent of the world’s hemp fiber, and its ability to flood the market “could result in price fluctuations the American farmer would have to weather,” said Valerie Vantreese, an agricultural economist in Lexington, Ky. (Kentucky was once the leading hemp-producing state).

Hemp is grown legally in about 30 countries, including many in the European Union, where it is mixed with lime to make plaster and as a “biocomposite” in the interior panels of Mercedes-Benzes.

In the United States, the chief argument against hemp has been made by drug-control officials, who are concerned that vast acreages could be used to conceal clandestine marijuana, which they say would be impossible to detect.

“California is a great climate to grow pot in, and no one from law enforcement is going through the fields to do a chemical analysis of different plants,” said Thomas A. Riley, a spokesman for the Office of National Drug Control Policy in Washington.

To some people intimate with the nuances of marijuana, however, the idea of hiding marijuana in a hemp field, where the plants would cross-pollinate, provokes amusement.

“It would be the end of outdoors marijuana,” said Jack Heber, 67, a marijuana historian and author who runs a group called Help End Marijuana Prohibition, or HEMP. “If it gets mixed with that crop, it’s a disaster.”

In North Dakota, the state agricultural commissioner, Roger Johnson, has proposed allowing hemp farming, and has been working with federal drug regulators on stringent regulations that would include fingerprinting farmers and requiring G.P.S. coordinates of hemp fields.

“We’ve done our level best to convince them we’re not a bunch of wackos,” Mr. Johnson said.

Fifteen years ago, he noted, there was little market for canola, which is now a major crop produced for its cooking oil. He sees hemp in a similar vein and dismisses the fears that it would lead to criminality.

“It would take a joint the size of a telephone pole to have an impact,” he said.

But up north in Garberville, the Central Valley of marijuana, the lines between hemp and marijuana are often a hazy blur, as they are at a store called the Hemp Connection, where hemp hats and yoga clothing are sold alongside manuals on pot botany and Stoneware baking pans (“makes six groovy brownies per pan”).

The proprietor, Marie Mills, who said she once crafted paper from marijuana stalks, remains committed to cannabis in all its guises.

“We want to educate people and take away the stigma,” Ms. Mills said. “We want hemp without harassment.”

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 27 2006 at 12:14
Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:



I love satan....



Help,he's warping our fragile minds....
     
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 27 2006 at 11:26
To the ducking stool with him....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 26 2006 at 21:17
Originally posted by goose goose wrote:

Originally posted by maani maani wrote:

Hey, all you young'uns here - you should all go out and buy lots of illegal drugs, fry your brains, and end up permanently believing you're an orange

Well, I'm sold!

    
damn,I knew he was using subliminal messages but just couldnt prove it until now.....

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 26 2006 at 21:06
Originally posted by maani maani wrote:

Hey, all you young'uns here - you should all go out and buy lots of illegal drugs, fry your brains, and end up permanently believing you're an orange

Well, I'm sold!
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