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E-Dub 
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 Posted: September 25 2006 at 08:07 |
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<<That's right - he is>>
Well, you're the first person that I've ever heard say that. I'll take your word that you believe it, however.
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Certif1ed
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Posted: September 25 2006 at 03:10 |
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The important thing is not to stop questioning.
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hebrius
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Posted: September 24 2006 at 08:21 |
I always been a MARILLION fan, since the 2nd album, ' Fugazi'. When H entered the band in 'Seasons End' I liked, but then cames the 'Holidays in Eden' and I decided: my MARILLION collection is over! I only recorded a cassete tape (do you remember what was that?). The time passes and I listened more and more that tape and... I loved it!!! At the same time they came with the wonderful ' Brave' and well, I was reconquered by them!!! Now, after all the H albuns, I need to reveal: I don't listen to the Fish era albuns anymore. They sounded so... neo prog for me (after all these years I renegate this style). I've buyed the 'Recital' DVD and couldn't get to the end... anybody here want to buy that thing??? 
And, btw... I loved the H renditions to the Fish era songs. The voice of Hogie is very passionate, and is much different in the hard songs to the soft ones. We can't say the same thing of Fish... 
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Fishy
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Posted: September 24 2006 at 07:25 |
 moonlitbay wrote:
I only wish someone could perform "Grendel" one last time...... |
7 years ago I saw Arena playing the track live (as an encore), it was a great performance. This was the only live performance of the song I ever heard.
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moonlitbay
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Posted: September 24 2006 at 06:53 |
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I only wish someone could perform "Grendel" one last time......
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A reunion.......it will never happen in my lifetime!!
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Forgotten Son
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Posted: September 24 2006 at 04:47 |
E-Dub wrote:
Man, I love Quartz. It's probably one of my favorites from Anoraknophobia. Besides, the bands overall sound is vastly different that a song like "Quartz" fits in nicely with today's Marillion.
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Don't get me wrong it has some killer moments on it, but a lot of the time it feels like 'm listening to a cover of a Radiohead song. Thankfully they've filtered their influences much much better in Marbles. The only track I really really enjoy from Anoraknophobia is When I Meet God.
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Arrrghus
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Posted: September 23 2006 at 21:49 |
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Hogarth is not bad, but he's not Fish. Fish has become one of my prog heroes. I want to say only Marillion w/ Fish should perform Fish-era songs, but that's unreasonable. These old songs deserve exposure, but some songs that call for Fish's expressionality and tones should not be done: Script, Garden Party, Childhood's End, Lavender, etc.
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E-Dub
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Posted: September 23 2006 at 16:58 |
Where's the photo of your water bong?  E
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Peter
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Posted: September 23 2006 at 16:35 |
 Fish songs you say?
You mean like:
"oh, you get a line an I'll get a pole honey
You get a line and I'll get a pole, babe
oh you get a line and I'll get a pole
and we'll go down to the crawdad hole
honey, baby mine"
and
"Oh, this is the place where the fishermen gather,
In oilskins and boots and Cape Anns battened down.
All sizes of figures with squid lines and jiggers,
They congregate here on the squid jigging ground."
or
"I don't want your maggoty fish
They're no good for winter
I can buy as good as that
Down in Bonavista"
 Wow -- didn't think ol' Hoagie had it in 'im!Good for him!
G'wan -- heav' it addaya, b'y!
 <-- Capt. Hogarth
His home.
His studio.
Edited by Peter Rideout - September 23 2006 at 16:36
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.
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E-Dub
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Posted: September 23 2006 at 16:09 |
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There's a FRC disc of H singing "Blind Curve" that sounds really good.
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E-Dub
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Posted: September 23 2006 at 16:08 |
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I recall being on a Marillion list and somebody suggested a show where nothing was done but Fish era...and the person got lambasted. As killer as those old songs are, I know I'd be highly ticked if I went to a Marillion show and heard nothing but Fish era tunes.
And as Rupert said, to hear the old songs, it would be best to check out a Fish show.
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rupert
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Posted: September 23 2006 at 13:41 |
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OOOH MISTAKE ! COUNT THE ALBUMS FROM "SEASON'S END" TO "MARBLES" WAS WHAT I WANTED TO SAY ! APOLOGIES !!!!
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...I'm a musician/singer/songwriter, visit me on www.reverbnation.com/rupertlenz and there you can choose from 125 recordings you can listen to ( for free ) if you're not limited to prog-rock !
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rupert
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Posted: September 23 2006 at 13:40 |
Well well well... I quite like Hogie's rendition of "Lavender", though I think that "Slainte Mhath" or "Sugar Mice" suit him better... I really DISLIKE him singing "Kayleigh" on the other hand...
I prefer to hear Hogarth-era-songs from Marillion these days, and E-Dub's right: Better "Quartz" than a fish-era-tune, those can be performed by Fish and his band, that's the right ( better ) place, for Marillion are a different band since so many years now, just count the albums from "Season's end" to "Brave", there's so many great tunes and the past is over, guys ( a fact that I, as a confessed BJH-fan, had to learn to live with, too !!! ).
Love, to those who disagree and not like H, too !
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...I'm a musician/singer/songwriter, visit me on www.reverbnation.com/rupertlenz and there you can choose from 125 recordings you can listen to ( for free ) if you're not limited to prog-rock !
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Gravity Eyelids
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Posted: September 23 2006 at 13:39 |
E-Dub wrote:
<<While Fish is technically a better singer>>
He is?
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I agree, I don't think Fish is "technically better". H is very skilled singer.
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Into this wild Abyss the fiend
Stood on the brink of Hell and looked a while,
Pondering his Voyage.
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E-Dub
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Posted: September 23 2006 at 13:34 |
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<<in "From stoke row to Ipanema" hogarth sings kaileigh>>
I thought Hogarth does a good job on "Heart Of Lothian".
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E-Dub
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Posted: September 23 2006 at 13:32 |
<<While Fish is technically a better singer>>
He is?
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Martinyesman
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Posted: September 23 2006 at 13:18 |
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It's interesting that 'Chelsea Monday' is mentioned in this thread, as it's my favourite Fish era track. I'd love to hear H sing this song, as well as 'Jigsaw' and 'Childhood's End'. While Fish is technically a better singer and more charismatic performer than H, I much prefer Marillion's later output and Fish's solo material to the so-called 'classic' Marillion era.
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Benjamin_Breeg
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Posted: September 23 2006 at 13:14 |
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in "From stoke row to Ipanema" hogarth sings kaileigh pretty well but really can't reach Fish ^^
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E-Dub
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Posted: September 23 2006 at 13:03 |
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Are you sure it's not "nothing else has ever been as hard as love" from "Hard As Love"? Doesn't sound familiar at all.
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BigBoss
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Posted: September 23 2006 at 12:39 |
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I just could never get in to H's voice or his lyrics, vocally it sounds like he has an octave range, everything is sort of in the same place all the time, and while Fish isn't technically a great singer, he's got a lot more passion and expressiveness in his voice, and on stage he is just captivating as hell. He reminds me of Gabriel in lots of ways, and his lyrics were just more compelling. The one truly awful lyric from H that sticks in my mind is from Brave "there's nothing faster than the speed of love".
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