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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 20 2006 at 18:08
I really don't understand how Discipline is neo prog. Taking so much from VDGG and symphonic bands, it would probably fit into something more flexible, like art rock... I really don't hear anything resembling the common "neo" patterns in them. I like them a lot, by the way.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 20 2006 at 20:53
<<Try "Believe" by Pendragon, if you found Masquerade Overture 'not the thing for you' you will find some different sounds and structures on Believe, check out some of the samples on the website (www.pendragon.mu) I was (and still am) amazed by this album! >>

Believe is a good place to start. Also, I've had Not Of This World on in the car's player and that could be my favorite Pendragon. Well, second to Masquerade Overture, however.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 20 2006 at 21:18
This doesn't get said often enough, so I'll go ahead with it....
 
 
 
 
 
I Heart NEO-PROG MUSIC!!!! Big smile ALL YOU FOOL'S CAN KEEP YOUR AVANT-PROG, YOUR KRAUTROCK AND ALL. MORE NEO-PROG FOR ME!!!Evil Smile
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 20 2006 at 21:20
That my friends, in the cage to the left, its a fanboy. Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 20 2006 at 21:22
Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

This doesn't get said often enough, so I'll go ahead with it....
 
 
 
 
 
I Heart NEO-PROG MUSIC!!!! Big smile ALL YOU FOOL'S CAN KEEP YOUR AVANT-PROG, YOUR KRAUTROCK AND ALL. MORE NEO-PROG FOR ME!!!Evil Smile
 
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I do recall you saying that there's a lot of sh*tty Neo-Prog out there.Wink

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 20 2006 at 21:26
Originally posted by Cygnus X-2 Cygnus X-2 wrote:

I do recall you saying that there's a lot of sh*tty Neo-Prog out there.Wink
 
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SINISTER STREET — The Eve Of Innocence

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1 stars The Eve of Innocence is not a perticularly remarkable album. Sinister Street hasn't emerged from the 80s blazing new trails with an immediatly effective and emotive style. To the contrary, they've basically stuck with the same sound that so many Neo Progressive bands have worn to death. For a relative reference, the musical style on The Eve of Innocence is quite similar to Pendragon's The Jewel and the lesser-known (and not entirely without reason) Solitary Witness by Landmarq.

My main gripe with this album--and I hope this doesn't turn into a tirade--is that the music is very pop-oriented and saturated with cheesy nuances. Chances are, if you are prejudiced against Neo-Prog, or simply don't like what you've heard from the genre, hearing an album like The Eve of Innocence might've been the reason why. It's really a shame too, because honestly, there is a lot more to Neo-Prog than a pop song with crisp, unnaturally uplifting keyboard work and overly dramatic yet somewhat childish singing. All of those characteristics, however, lie in The Eve of Innocence, in varying degrees.

I feel, though, that the biggest fault in The Eve of Innocence is not the chessiness nor the thoroughly uniteresting vocals, but more the complete lack of effective production. I feel that this album would be far better if the production packed a bigger punch. As it is now, the songs just pass on by like a parade. But if there were a sense of urgency that some of the songs seem to demand, then the music would be much more interesting. If Sinister Street decided to re-record The Eve of Innocence with today's modern technology, I'd be eager to hear it for sure.

There are some good moments on The Eve of Innocence, but no songs that I enjoy entirely. These moments usually occur when the band takes a break from the prog-pop format and go for a bit of diversity, such as the slide bass and grand piano introduction of "A Prayer for the Dying," or the atmospheric parts of "Summit." But overall, The Eve of Innocence doesn't bring anything new to the table at all, and it basically falls flat.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 20 2006 at 22:59
Please stop reminding me of that album. I might just fall into a coma.

Originally posted by E-Dub E-Dub wrote:

Believe is a good place to start. Also, I've had Not Of This World on in the car's player and that could be my favorite Pendragon. Well, second to Masquerade Overture, however.


Totally agree. Not of This World is such an underrated album.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 21 2006 at 00:22
<<I do recall you saying that there's a lot of sh*tty Neo-Prog out there.>>

Eh, but there's crap music out there everywhere. I've had the misfortune of buying discs by Kayak and Ayreon without sampling anything, only to regret it. Fool me once, shame on me.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 21 2006 at 03:24
Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

This doesn't get said often enough, so I'll go ahead with it....
 
  
  
I  Heart NEO-PROG MUSIC!!!! Big smile ALL YOU FOOL'S CAN KEEP YOUR AVANT-PROG, YOUR KRAUTROCK AND ALL. MORE NEO-PROG FOR ME!!!Evil Smile
 
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Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret:
Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 21 2006 at 09:06
Originally posted by Geck0 Geck0 wrote:

Also try Discipline's Unfolded Like Staircase.


     

I'm still can't agree with DISCIPLINE's definition(I believe they're Sympho),but they're great anyway

COLLAGE - Moonshine
Best Neo not from Marillion/IQ

THE WATCH - just stunning!!!

SHADOWLAND - Clive Nolan's best(IMO),better than all ARENA/PENDRAGON/etc taken together!

CLEPSYDRA,RED SAND and LA TULIPE NOIRE - good Marillion clones

MINDGAMES,GRAND STAND,AD INFINITUM,AUFKLARING,GALLEON,GREY LADY DOWN,LANDMARQ,MAGENTA,QUIDAM,MIRAGE,IL TRONO DEL RICORDI,PUPPET SHOW,RAEL,CITIZEN CAIN,NYL - New Symphonic/Neo bands worth checking
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 21 2006 at 19:12
Originally posted by Empathy Empathy wrote:

You've been struggling with Neo, too, eh? Troublesome little puny human, that one. Not worth the battery power he generated, I say...


 
 
I specifically named this poll after that lol.LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 21 2006 at 19:18
Thanks for all the suggestions guys. I'm looking forward to this.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 21 2006 at 20:56
I don't remember having rated a neo prog album less than 4 stars!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 21 2006 at 21:21
Originally posted by E-Dub E-Dub wrote:

<<I do recall you saying that there's a lot of sh*tty Neo-Prog out there.>>

Eh, but there's crap music out there everywhere. I've had the misfortune of buying discs by Kayak and Ayreon without sampling anything, only to regret it. Fool me once, shame on me.

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Ayreon = meh, and so is Kayak for the most part. but I do like their album Merlin...

It's a great rock opera. Sure it's a bit cheesy, but who cares! very queen-esque.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 21 2006 at 23:40
Listen to Cutting of the Cards by Arena. it's one of the best songs ever written

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 22 2006 at 09:22
Originally posted by Empathy Empathy wrote:

You've been struggling with Neo, too, eh? Troublesome little puny human, that one. Not worth the battery power he generated, I say...


 
If we get to vote for 'Post of the Year' at year's end, you'll get my vote Empathy !!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 22 2006 at 10:23
Originally posted by Melomaniac Melomaniac wrote:


 
If we get to vote for 'Post of the Year' at year's end, you'll get my vote Empathy !!!


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